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Matthew Birt  says:

2012 MOTOGP MOMENTS – DUCATI DISASTER

It’s the Valencia MotoGP test in November, 2010 and the wave of optimism sweeping through Ducati’s factory garage is so powerful it could almost knock you off your feet. Valentino Rossi has arrived to prove the bike was no one-hit wonder in the hands of Casey Stoner and help restore Ducati as a potent threat to the Japanese domination of MotoGP. Two...

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carcleanerboy

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I do know one thing Nostro

Your a sad old wanker of a Kiwi ,with a hard on for stoner Climb down from that pedestal you put yourself on and learn to talk sense again. Its called an expression , heard of one of those??? If Honda knew the engine was the issue holding chassis design back and stopping the bike from working they would alter it. Thats not the Ducati way, no fuck about for five years and blame it on the rider. If your going to be an ignorant twat expect some shit back, afew years racing an old Duke round some old car park on south island dont mean feck all in here,:winkie:

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Nostrodamus

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Nostrodamus says:

How'd that HRC chatter heart murmur

work out 2012. Did they solve it in a heart beat?

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carcleanerboy

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But at least they try Nostro

Ducati are guilty of burying their heads in the sand and getting left behind. Yamaha and honda have been close for the last 8 or 9 years, one edging ahead of the other. They soon wiped out the power advantage Ducati found for 2008 didnt they? Maybe Preziosi has hand his hands tied as to how much he can alter the project, and has had to stick with it. But IMO the Japanese wont do that. Small changes when a redesign was needed made the whole of Ducati GP effort look stupid. Casey won despite the bikes short comings in 2007 but struggled there after. Its no slur on Ducati, if you dont have the financial might to compete, you will get let behind, hence why other manufactures have pulled out.

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

Sorry CCB

Burgess will have made that point to Preziosi,but if he is told they have to work with what they have got and try fine tune the bike, thats what he had to do. He can hardly then turn round and bad mouth his employers to the press can he?? Rossi the same, there will have been times he's had to lie through his teeth and smile, claiming everything is well and going in the right direction, when deep down the truth was very different.

This is purely subjective, it's your opinion but it can't be based upon fact because you'd have to be inside or at least have insight into the team to know that. (Buell will probably be along soon to corroborate it though....)

And we are still way off the original discussion which was that Ducati gave Rossi nothing and spent nothing.

That Ducati can't translate an idea into parts on the bike as quickly as Honda or Yamaha wasn't under dispute.

Ducati are guilty of burying their heads in the sand and getting left behind.

Seven different frame designs is burying your head in the sand ??

And can we please leave behind the 'power advantage' as the reason for Ducati's success in 2007. Before Honda hit their winning streak with Doohan, their bikes were the most powerful but it did them no good. It took Doohan to convince Honda that it wasn't all about power, they calmed it down and within a couple of years he began winning his titles. Same at Yamaha, the early M1 bikes had viscious power, Furusawa listened to Barros and the engine was softened which gave a far more rideable bike. Ducati currently has the most powerful bike and what good has it done them?

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carcleanerboy

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exactly bulto

Subjective yes, but also common sense as well.

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ow01fogno1

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ow01fogno1 says:

Wrong man chosen

Did casey no harm this Ducati flop did it.next year will prove to be even more costly I feel.

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

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Of course Rossi and Burgess were towing the company line 2011..many seasoned pundits remarked at how gracious Rossi was given the results. Not a single bad word.

Qatar 2012 was a shot across the bows that went unheeded.

From the first Sepang test in February to Misano, 8 months later..Ducati gave Rossi next to fck all, just like Stoner complained about then left.

They said they wanted to listen and build a new bike, to move forward. They failed to deliver.

Largely because they refused to get rid of that massive, barely packageable 90 degree lump powering the bike as a vestige of corporate identity.

Style over substance..:ph43r::wacko::blink:

 

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PaceyCasey

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PaceyCasey says:

Style over substance..

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That kinda rings a bell.

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simoncbr1000rr

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the ducati....

was......is and will be a bag wank......what stoner did was take the bag of wank and win on it.......nobody else has or will ever do what stoner did on the shit bucket......budget,frames,tyres etc irrelevent......until someone comes along who is as good as stoner is,so they might as well piss in the wind.and nobody has done anything on it including vale so it`s good luck finding someone......dovi!!!! wtf he loves it smooth as silk,can anyone see him muscling the s/bucket round like stoner did???

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eddl

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eddl says:

Stoner was fast on anything he sat on but was also beaten on everything he sat on, He was lucky that he gelled so well with the duke in 07, but that was the only year he did, certain riders gell with certain bikes better than others history as taught us this, was he unbeatable? only at p/island, He will imo go down in history as one of the fastest ever, but will never be a legend.

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