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Matthew Birt  says:

Casey Stoner memories: Lucio Cecchinello

In the sixth part of MCN’s exclusive series of Stoner memories, Lucio Cecchinello, who gave Stoner his first Grand Prix ride and big break into MotoGP in 2006, talks about their time together. “We played a big part in the early story of Casey when we worked with him for one season in 125s, two in 250s and one in MotoGP. "At...

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

fanarkling.

Good to see that the fine kiwi art/sport of farnarkling yet lives.

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Farnarkle

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Farnarkle says:

Farnarkling

Yes, DF, probably the last remaining 'pure' sporting challenge left to mankind on the planet.

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chris313nt

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chris313nt says:

statistics

Its easy for farnarkle to mess around with figures by only putting Rossi's last 6 seasons results which includes 2 disastrous Ducati seasons but the truth of the whole of Rossi's gp career has earned him 9 titles to Stoners 2 & a hell of a lot more wins in all classes...Stoner was at best mediocre in the smaller classes mostly due to his flat track rear steer technique which ultimately suited the all powerful Ducati with design flawed steering, a problem which he rode around, rather than cure...Stoner is a great rider on powerful bikes, cant develop a bike but can ride any powerful bike you put under him & will ultimately be recognised as a quitter

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buelligan272

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buelligan272 says:

hello

lorry driver...where you been?
Got anything good to say?

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

Chris

A little perspective on your ramblings

Rossi has been in Motogp virtually twice as long as Stoner so of course he has more wins and titles. What a stupid comparison to try and draw. Stoner would have had to win the title every year to take 7 titles, which included his rookie year with inferior equipment and 4 years on a Ducati that Rossi struggled to get past 6th place race finishes in 2 seasons. From 2000 - 2010 Rossi had the best equipment available - look what happened when he didn't. 

Same story in 125 and 250, Rossi was given the best, Stomer had make do bikes. When Stoner finally got a decent bike he finished 2nd to Pedrosa in 250 - not too mediocre and beating Dovi and Lorenzo in the process.

Stoner was at best mediocre in the smaller classes mostly due to his flat track rear steer technique which ultimately suited the all powerful Ducati with design flawed steering, a problem which he rode around, rather than cure...Stoner is a great rider on powerful bikes, cant develop a bike but can ride any powerful bike you put under him & will ultimately be recognised as a quitter

Stoner can't develop a bike, couldn't cure the Ducati so rode around the problem? - which gave him 23 wins, many podiums and 1, 2, 4, and 4 in the championship

Rossi also couldn't cure the Ducati, therefore couldn't develop it but he couldn't ride around the problem either - which gave him 0 wins, a whopping 3 podiums and an impressive 7th and 6th in the championship - then he quit after saying he'd stay (what was the message about sticking together) to take a ride back with Yamaha

So what's your point?

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Farnarkle

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Farnarkle says:

Comparison statistics

Messing around with figures? - and yet you just use different figures..

Nobody would deny that Rossi had massively better figures in motoGp than the rest of the aliens, right up to the time he started racing against them. (Mind you, both Pedrosa and Lorenzo have twice the number of 250 WCs as Rossi and Pedrosa also equals Rossi for 125 WCs, making I guess Lorenzo his equal for lower-class wins and Pedrosa superior.)

As for motoGp, Rossi in head-to-head competition won 1/3rd of the titles going and half the titles taken by Yamaha while Lorenzo also took one third of the titles going and the other half of those taken by Yamaha.

Stoner, as it happens, took the remaining third of the titles on offer, and 100% of those achieved by Ducati and Honda.  As for being a quitter, he'll certainly be remembered for that, along with Roberts, Lawson, Spencer, Hailwood, Schwantz, Sheene, Agostini, Doohan etc.

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wosihound says:

 

From 2000 - 2010 Rossi had the best equipment available - look what happened when he didn't.

2004 Honda won the constructors..the next best Yamaha was 7th and the year before Rossi arrived in 2003, the factory bikes didn't podium all season. 

Look what happened to Stoners results on the Ducati..?

He had the best equipment available in 2007 and, as Bulto says, by the time he left the bike was far from it. Rossi spent two years trying to put right Stoner's dodgy feedback.

He was starting to do the same with his Honda before he jacked.

 

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

equipment

So the honda at the same time was both an invincible weapon that even someone has mediocre (in your view) as dani pedrosa could win many races on it, yetat the same time had been taken in the wrong direction by casey stoner?

And stoner is culpable for not being able to fix the ducati despite the acknowledged (including by me) genius development team not being able to do so with much greater resources?

A casual observer might think you have a prejudice against stoner.  

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Resources count for nothing if the man in charge doesn't have a clue how to effectively translate proven rider feedback into design that moves the project forward.

Ducati brought virtually nothing to the table 2012. The reason Rossi went back to Yamaha and the reason Preziosi got sacked.

Dani Pedrosa took the Honda upgrades and sorted his chatter issues. It's no coincedence his results improved from mid season on. 

Stoner refused, prefering to struggle with what he thought he knew. Went behind. Then crashed himself out of contention again, playing catch-up.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/motogp/18848585

 

 

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Farnarkle

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Farnarkle says:

Selective development

Then I guess Yamaha was really lucky Lorenzo happened along in '08 to correct the dodgy development path they had been taken down by Rossi in '06 and '07, eh Wosi? Yamaha must have been frothing that he'd taken the bike Furasawa developed from being a WC winning machine straight out of the box down to a struggling peleton runner after only two years.

And hey, Ducati must have been rejoicing that their first all-Rossi developed bike scrambled up to a magnificant 6th in 2012, only two places down on the worst it had ever been with Stoner.  Still, he'd made it more rider-friendly, with an average of only 2 rider DNFs per season for the numero uno guy vs. a terrible 1.75 DNFs / season with Stoner aboard.

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