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At it again Wosi

Nostro - no supporting evidence?! Do I need to troll out the old post yet again? All the info is there on Motogp.com. Stoner barely (I mean within a few seconds over total elapsed race time) went any quicker, in like on like comparable conditions, from 2010 on the Duke to 2011 on the RCV and you bloody well know it. Same goes for Rossi. In like on like conditions the only time Rossi was faster than Stoner on the Duke in elapsed time was Jerez(?) when Stoner ran off track twice 2010. Stoner on the other hand was significantly faster on the Duke at a number of tracks. Like 30 seconds faster.

Your imagination seems to have run dry Wosi. Just regurgitating the same old utter bollocks. Same goes for the yellow pantie brigade. You may not have noticed but many of them have poppped their heads above the paraphet stating how Rossi will be a winner and champion again. Lost little souls. Sounds like your upper lip is trembling once more though Wosi. You know better, but refuse to acknowledge it. Rossi hasn't been the fastest rider on the grid since 2005. How many more will over take his pace again this year I wonder?

Hey Disco. Have a little sit down on the throne and reflect on your ramblings. Not very coherent or consistent are they?

Buelli

Someone hit the dimmer switch on your little yellow five watt light bulb long ago. So you saying Furusawa has an axe to grind with Rossi?

Stoner 2010 / 2011 D16 / RCV vs Rossi D16 2011

 Yet again for your edification Wosi. These are the only comparable condition races for which data is extractable between Stoner and Rossi.

Catalunya - Hey ho, Rossi was 1 whole second quicker than Stoner on total elapsed race time at one of his favourite tracks. Oh, Stoner ran off track twice.

Mugello - Rossi 38 seconds faster than Stoner 2010 !! Oh Lorenzo 42 faster than himself 2010. A freshly resurfaced track perhaps?

Brno- Rossi 5 seconds faster than Pramac Stoner over total elapsed time. Brno 2011 was the first race in which Bridgestone brought a wider selection of tyre compounds for the riders to choose from.

Misano. Rossi 4 secs faster than Pramac Stoner. Control Lorenzo 12 whole seconds faster 2011 than himself 2010. Reason? Bridgestone brings asymmetrics tyres 2011.

Laguna - since you love Laguna '08 so much. It's time to update and talk Laguna 2011. Truly similar conditions 2010 - 2011. GP10 Stoner 24 secs faster than GP11.9 Rossi. 24 Seconds faster on the Pramac machine in weather, ambient and track conditions that were similar. Control Lorenzo 2011 ran exactly the same elapsed time as Pramac Stoner 2010, or actually 3 seconds slower than himself 2010.

Sachenring. O.K shortened race 2010. Stoner only 1 sec behind the winner after 9 laps. Extrapolate that to a full 30 laps and that's 4 seconds in arrears. Rossi 26 seconds behind Stoner 2011. Fastest race laps Control Lorenzo 1:22.28 2010 and 1:22.02 2011. Pramac Stoner 1:22.53. GP11.9 Rossi 1:22.80

Aragon. Stoner only 1 sec different between his total elapsed race times on the Pramac and the RCV. It's a rocket that RCV. Rossi 40 seconds slower than Stoners Pramac! Control Lorenzo 5 secs slower 2011 than his 2010.

So the best you've got is 5 secs due to a wider rubber selection, and I bring a 40 sec and 24 sec whooping of Rossi by Stoner. Not to mention 9 podiums and 3 wins for Pramac Stoner, versus Rossi's one inherited podium 2011. Christ even Xaus did better than that on the Ducati!

Control riders Lorenzo and Hayden did pretty much what they did 2010 to 2011. The difference each time was Stoner.

If you're going to bring figures to the table Wosi they better be like for like, otherwise they're less than meaningless. But of course meaningless figures are your stock in trade.

Please stop

Come on guys this is meant to be about Hayden's time with Rossi at Ducati.
Why are you squabbling over Stoner and Rossi?
Is it so important that you prove each other wrong?
Stoner's career is over now.Brilliant rider that won 2 world championships on 2 different makes of bike.
Rossi's career is still going.Brilliant rider that won 9 championships on more than 2 makes of bikes.
Some like Stoner.Many more like Rossi.
Nothing will change any of that so stop trying to out do each other while boring others.

qatar 2009

I did not and would not count stoner's fastest lap at qatar in 2010 since he crashed ( on a bike which had become unstable due to ducati following a development direction away from him to make the bike more "generally rideable"), hence my referring to 2009 when both his fastest lap and finishing time were faster than rossi's in winning the 2010 race on the bike which won the championship that year, or in finishing 7th in 2011. The comparison most likely to be even, the 2010 post season test which was only 2 days after the race and which had the internal control of stoner's perfromance on the honda in testing vs pedorsa's in the race also tells a story which you have never addressed.There are also many statements by many people who have ridden/been involved with the ducati including rossi himself that stoner did something unique to make the thing go so fast which it is basically impossible for others to replicate.

Without necessarily any implications for their overall quality as riders ( rossi obviously has to be rated well ahead of stoner overall), stoner is patentlly better at riding the deeply flawed ducati 800 bike, and deserves praise rather than all the condemnation he received for his perfomances on the thing. He was able to extract something because of unique elements in his riding style, as somebody said quite possibly at significant cost to himself, I don't think even he enjoyed riding the thing.