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HardlyLean

I know not of, and care even less for Liz and her plums. But, boy there's few on here that can mangle the English language quite so adeptly as you.

You tell him

Providing he makes himself, well, himself, and stops trying to ride his countryman's ticket. Simoncelli found it out. Harsh. Not so. Idolitory. Get rid of it Andrea.

bootlegger you a PRICK.

wosi

I notice Ducati haven't dusted off the old CF bike Casey 'begged' for PC.

Why's that Pal?
 

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And i notice that the Ducatis results have hit rock bottom for the past 2 seasons. Why's that bud?

You continually seem to forget/disregard the fact that Casey was a 'minor' with little experience at this level when he went to Ducati and still 'young' when he left. Where was Vale in his career?

You're becoming more like 'cornfed' with every post. Shame.

Judging by what Gobmeier has said he's initially just going to 'tinker' with everything under Preziosi's guidance. ........It's going to be a long barren season then.

Realities

The problem, wosi is not everyone's reality is the same. The one I inhabit has both similarities and differences to yours.

Totally agree that the 2010 bike was a pig which was not a championship capable bike in stoner's hands or anyone else's. To say rossi was as fast as stoner on the ducati is patently untrue though, cf the late season pace of the2010  bike during stoner's 3 wins and particularly the times at the post season test, which are by far the most likely to be directly comparable. Your sophistry about rossi's fastest lap at qatar in 2011 doesn't fly anyway, both because stoner did do better later in the season, and because he was faster than rossi at qatar in 2009, regardless of his times in 2010 when he crashed . Whether it was reasonable to try and ride it like stoner did in view of the crash-prone nature of the bike is another question; I actually don't think it was unreasonable for valentino  to choose not to push an unstable bike just to gain a higher midfield position.

It is very likely I am much better qualified to speculate concerning stoner's illness in 2009 than you are, and whilst even as a fan I was somewhat sceptical initially about the lactose intolerance thing which admittedly sounds undramatic it actually all eventually held together from the medical perspective. It was fairly clear what the line of enquiry/investigation was in Australia if you know the specialties of the doctors involved (I actually know some of them personally) and it was a reasonable one. He was also tested at the Australian Institute of Sport where they found quite significant abnormalities in his exercise physiology in someone who can usually keep up with professional cyclists on a bicycle and he was eventually found to have signifcant electrolyte disturbances. I think trying to make diagnoses via TV is not something most professionals would regard as reliable particularly on patients enveloped by riding suits and helmets, so I am not sure how you can be so confident of your diagnosis, but fwiw he looked fairly crook to me at the end of those races, to a degree impossible to fake in my experience.  

The first year of the bridgestone control tyre was 2009, when the ducati was both stable and competitively fast when stoner was healthy. It is also ridiculous to suggest that someone who left at age 14 to go 125 racing in Europe is responsible for ducati's carbon fibre chassis design.

There are 2 things we disagree about basically, neither of which is the relativity of stoner's and rossi's achievements. One is that stoner somehow didn't really win the the 2007 championship, and the second is that stoner  is responsible for, and should have fixed any problems with the ducati despite rossi not being able to fix it with much greater resources at his disposal. I personally don't blame either, but rather ducati as you do and dorna for their capricious rule changes.