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Matthew Birt  says:

Ducati factory support vital for Andrea Iannone

MotoGP rookie Andrea Iannone believes his hopes of succeeding in the new look Pramac Ducati squad will be given a massive boost by Ducati’s commitment to offer him full factory support in 2013. In a bid to reduce the performance gap to rivals Honda and Yamaha. Ducati has changed its strategy for the forthcoming world championship campaign and will bring its...

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PaceyCasey

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PaceyCasey says:

wosi

Short term glory at the expense long term development direction? Another D16 that only one rider can get results on?

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Wasn't Vale supposed to provide the 'long term development direction'?

Damn these friggin' mercenaries!

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

I notice Ducati haven't dusted off the old CF bike Casey 'begged' for PC.

Why's that Pal?

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

preconceptions

I have always thought there was something to that theory wosi., particularly since what many people say that what stoner does or did was cheat the electronic aids, capirossi and rossi having ridden for years on bikes that were developed to work with less electronic aids and hence perhaps with more intrinsic balance, and that it is also said perhaps apocryphally that when he first got on to the ducati he changed the settings to something very different to what others had had been using and what the ducati guys thought was correct. He was also reputedly the only one who could get the old bridgestone "hard" tyre up to operating temperature. 

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saturn392

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saturn392 says:

hugelean

Nostro doesn't realise it but Rossi's got inside his head!   That's part of Rossi's huge charisma - even those who hate him  can't stop thinking and talking about him.  Great promotional value for MotoGP don't ya think ?

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Cheat electronic aids?

I doubt Stoner even knows what a throttle cable looks like.

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

throttle cables

So stoner is responsible for the current technology in motogp now is he wosi?

Somehow from dirt track racing  in Australia then spanish and british 125 racing he influenced the moto gp manufacturers to switch to ride by wire throttles so he would have an unfair advantage over rossi if he ever got to the premier class?

I think ride by wire throttles are instruments of the devil (on race bikes anyway)  btw, but stoner can hardly be criticised for only riding premier class bikes with ride by wire throttles given there were no bikes of any other variety by the time he got there, in much the same way that rational individuals don't consider him culpable for not beating rossi when he wasn't riding against him. I guess you must also consider that rossi's wins and titles don't count because he had much better tyres than hailwood and agostini, and that valentino's 500 wins don't count because the bikes he rode were much less savage than those ridden by gardner, lawson,  rainey, schwantz and doohan.

I was actually agreeing with your hypothesis, which you have raised before, that stoner hadn't ever ridden a "good" premier class bike on good tyres, and hence given a bike which was potentially so fast, which the ducati obviously was, didn't worry that he had to nearly crash it in most corners. Rossi's and furosawa's philosophy of keeping the yamaha's intrinsic balance and upgrading the power with the pneumatic engine rather than going for pure power/acceleration/speed proved correct, but iirc there was some wavering from rossi at one stage and some questioning of whether the famous cross plane inline yamaha engine should be ditched in favour of chasing more horsepower with an alternate design.

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

obsessions

any obsessions with rossi would appear to be counterbalanced by obsessions with stoner. 


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CHRainmaker

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CHRainmaker says:

Doohanfan, you need to understand..

..Wosi wouldn't let facts get in the way of making a derogatory point about Mr Stoner. He's obsessed dont'cha know?..

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

irking & ilking..

Don't be so sensitive.

I was drawing a parallel with Casey and Andrea. Just as Stoner never rode with cables and made full use of the electronics, trusted them more than older school riders, Iannone may benefit from a similar lack of exposure to an intrinsically balanced MotoGP bike by adapting to the D16.

It makes me smile when some of the younger wet-behind-the-ears pups cream themselves over Stoners riding style, as if he invented drifting to help a bike turn. It was a pre-requisite to go fast when electronics were limited to just timing a spark and tyres were overwhelmed..the bike is harldly out of line compared to earlier riders.

You look back at 2007/8 and there is very little sideways action. 21 litres places the emphasis on fuel conservation with the need to ride clean and the pre-spec Bridgestones were like glue.

You can only beat the competition of the time on what the factory deems is the bike you have to use and Casey has to be commended for that, but the vast proportion of Stoners success on the Ducati was early and can be attributed to tyres & Mareli.

The, cheating the electronics BS is vastly over played..GP bikes nowadays would be unrideable without them, especially the peaky 800's. It suits Casey and his fans to big-up downplaying the electronics as it perpetuates the myth and goes some way to clawing back the lack of respect he feels he should have for the 2007 title.

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

Just as Stoner never rode with cables and made full use of the electronics, trusted them more than older school riders,

Whether it's a cable or wire, the rider's reaction to what the bike does when opening the throttle is going to change. You can still have traction control with a cable. As well you know Rossi had electronics on his Honda 500 right from the word go and Burgess has confirmed it. Are you suggesting that in the next 7 ears until Stoner got on the Ducati, both Honda and Yamaha stood still with electronic development? All riders had been used to electronics before Stoner srrived in Motogp. Saying Stoner 'trusted' them more than anyone else is pure conjecture.

It suits Casey and his fans to big-up downplaying the electronics as it perpetuates the myth and goes some way to clawing back the lack of respect he feels he should have for the 2007 title

It's not a case of downplaying the electronics at all though is it. Every Ducati rider as well as the Ducati team has confirmed many times that he turned them down. Nothing to do with perpetuating myths, it's just a plain old fact.

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