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Matthew Birt  says:

Ducati factory support vital for Andrea Iannone

MotoGP rookie Andrea Iannone believes his hopes of succeeding in the new look Pramac Ducati squad will be given a massive boost by Ducati’s commitment to offer him full factory support in 2013. In a bid to reduce the performance gap to rivals Honda and Yamaha. Ducati has changed its strategy for the forthcoming world championship campaign and will bring its...

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

What about acknowledging that Rossi was as fast as Stoner on his debut, that the competiton moved on while Ducati did next to fuck all which makes Stoner look better on the CF bike than he was and, that Rossi's times on the 2011 bike would have been competitive the year before?

No..I didn't think so.

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

wosi world

I have already acknowledged that the competition moved on, not a huge concession given this is the object of their existence. Rossi's  times may have been competitive with the yamaha and honda times  of the year before, which I have not disputed. You have tried to extend this to him being as fast as stoner on a ducati, which you have done by picking a  race in which stoner crashed  thereby disqualifying his faster time, said disqualification being somewhat valid if you choose to stick to the real world. However as you well know in the real world  whilst at different races the number of crashes was similar, while the fastest times were not, without even considering that the bike rossi inherited if any was the bike on which stoner was more successful at the end of the year rather than the bike he rode at qatar, and hence you  do not allow for any improvement by stoner  whilst yamaha and honda were improving by your own argument.

If you wish to move back to wosiworld, specify whether you wish to consider  fastest race lap times, race finishing times  or  warm-up times on the same or different days rather than "flip-flopping " or "squirming"  as you put it between them, and perhaps specify what else other than qualifying times you are going to arbitrarily exclude according to your whim.

My view on all this which I have clearly elucidated is that both the 2010 and 2011 bikes were flawed and the flaws were not rectifiable, that neither the flaws nor the failure to rectify them were the fault of either rider, and that at least part of stoner being faster was him being prepared to risk crashing which valentino , not unreasonably, was not prepared to do.

I at least give you the courtesy apart from the odd ilk reference of answering your own arguments rather than making up generic rossi fan arguments and attributing them to you.  

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