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Matthew Birt  says:

Valentino Rossi undone by Ducati DNA

Valentino Rossi was unable to master Ducati’s fearsome Desmosedici machine because the bike behaved in a way that was totally alien to the riding style the nine-times world champion honed for almost two decades MotoGP paddock. That’s the view of new Ducati boss Bernhard Gobmeier, who has been charged with spearheading Ducati’s recovery after the Bologna factory endured a miserable lack...

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buelligan272

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buelligan272 says:

Sorry Gobmeier...

You must be wrong that it is to do with Ducati's DNA.
Some of the experts on here know better Bernhard.
Nothing to do with the bike at all.It's all the rider's fault for not being able to adapt their style.
According to them it is that simple but then they know better than anyone else.LOL.

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R6nutter6

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R6nutter6 says:

Ducati's DNA is it handles like a pig with massive understeer. If it were that good, it would be a regular podium/winning machine, not just a one rider bike.

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Nostrodamus

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Nostrodamus says:

Yes and no Hr. Gobmeier

How can a GP motorcycle be totally alien to a supposed Alien?

Rossi may not have had the exquisite level of machine feedback he received from the M1, but the D16 still behaves like any other motorcycle; weight pitching for and aft on traditional suspension - it is not 'totally different' like a funny front end machine would be. It is up to the rider to position himself on the motorcycle to get the level of feedback he requires. Rossi was a static sack of spuds. Despite acknowledging his need to adapt from the Valencia 2010 test, he never did.

What Rossi's Ducati years have confirmed is this myth that he is somehow adaptable. The last two years have clearly demonstrated just how much Rossi has been spoilt by having the best motorcycle on the grid in every year of his GP career up until 2011.

True champions can adapt and win on difficult motorcycles. Rossi wasn't good enough.

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Bootlegger

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Bootlegger says:

Bland all encompassing statement

George and Dani and a bunch of others jumped off 250 twin cylinder 2 strokes and onto the GP bikes and succeeded. Now Bernd wants me to believe they got the same good old feedback and feel from the GP 4 strokes that they got from 250's to facillitate an acceptably easy  transition. I don't think so. Clearly rider adaptation is at least 50 % of said transition. Getting off the RCV and jumping on the M1 as Dovi did is no doubt easier than making the Jap/Italian switch, but even he took a couple of races to get into the M1 groove last season.

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nunofjantunes

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No more words.... Mr Gobmeier

Mr Gobmeier talks as if Ducati had a long history of victories, and Rossi hadn't succeed only because he didn't know how to ride the Desmosedici. The reality is a little bit different. Rossi won 7 times in 10 years, Ducati won 1 tittle in 10 years. Who's wrong? Who wins or who loses? Rossi won 2 championships in a row with the M1 giving Yamaha the first tittle after long 12 years without winning. Ducati only one in 10 years, and even that, was achieved , as everybody could see , with a much more powerfull engine than the rest (M1 and RCV212) , and using the best tyres of the grid, the Bridgestone. In the year after that, Rossi with the same tyres, showed Ducati what he could do with the Yamaha with a less powerfull engine. Ducati never developed the bike to match Yamaha and Honda , so not winning is their fault. No one but Stoner won or achieved good results with the Ducati since 2007, why, Mr Gobmeier????

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PCUser271

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PCUser271 says:

Excuse me...

where the hell are 80% rider, 20% machine?

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moto4

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moto4 says:

ducati dna

definitely exists. even mortals like us find riding a ducati a very different experience to jap i4s so, surely at full pace on their best offering it is not a stretch to accept this is true.

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cornbowl

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cornbowl says:

Mr Gobshite

thinks his bike is sweet, and just needs some new riders to adapt !!!, he's got the riders, and what a torrid season lies ahead for them, with no changes.

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Gobmeier is not telling us anything Rossi hasn't already said. Before he'd slung a leg over the bike he said.."Don't expect me to ride that bike like Stoner."

For him to state the bike hasn't changed much from 2007- 2012 is poppycock. Steel trellis, Carbon Fibre and Aluminium Beam..it's chassis has changed more than any other.

The only thing that remains, which is the DNA of Ducati, is the 90 degree 'L-configured' motor and apprently a change is not up for negotiation for marketing reasons. Brand identity and the need to be different dictates.

The new Ducati boss seems to be putting his faith in finding another Casey, which is an arse about face way of looking for success. Stoner, Rossi & Melandri left..others have turned them down, and with respect the riders they have this year are not of alien status.

Since arriving Gobby has done nothing but talk, it's time to STFU and walk the walk.

 

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

Buell

Not wishing to stir you up, but:

Nothing to do with the bike at all.It's all the rider's fault for not being able to adapt their style

This is the point he's making. The bike was different from the Yam, the rider needed to adapt to the bike but couldn't

The bike got better but riders like Melandri or Valentino, who are very sensitive, they expected a certain reaction of what the bike should do. So when they didn't get that reaction they get confused.

ie: couldn't adapt to deal with the different behaviour

Anyway - exit one figure of hate for Rossi fans, one Casey Stoner  -  Take a bow the next figure of hate - Bernhard Gobmeier

Saying Rossi got confused is going to be unforgivable.

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