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el diablo

I'm being serious  coming back at you, but you were not being serious initially? I am willing to accept that  neither of us was being serious, but you cannot assume I am being serious either or that my motives are any different than yours. Credit for bantering in English anyway, if Spanish is your first language as seems likely, I would have no chance on a Spanish forum, and not much on a French forum, the only language apart from English with which I have any acquaintance, and someone with your obvious language skills surely must realise idiom is a difficulty with either of us knowing whether the other is attempting humour in this context.. 

You will not find any post from me on this or any other forum saying that Stoner's career in any way approaches rossi's , or any claim from him for that matter that he even approaches doohan. I don't criticise rossi, I mainly because it amuses me come back at people who denigrate Stoner , which I realise is done with varying degrees of seriousness, despite those who claim to be joking not infrequently seeming to take offence when they are answered in similar vein.

He had 2 fantastic seasons, when he "'rode like a God" as some bloke called valentino said.  He didn't have multiple further such seasons like doohan and rossi, but he was still pretty good and I enjoyed being a fan of his, and I do object to some extent to people pretending that winning 38 premier class gp races, 23 on a ducati, can be blithely dismissed. I think jorge is probably better than him too, btw, hardly a scathing criticism of stoner.

To get back to idiom, there is an (american) english saying, " if ifs and buts were crackers and nuts everyday would be Christmas", so we should perhaps wait till the total spanish domination actually occurs; Australia looked to have few prospects in motogp as recently as 2006, had 3 competitors, 2 of them race winners in 2008, and as you say has none in the premier class now.

My point about the aprilia cube was deliberately exaggerated, but the problem with that bike despite its prodigiously powerful engine which allowed prodigious straightline performance and even apart from a propensity for catching on fire was not colin edward's riding talent, but rather car engine guys producing an engine which made the bike completely unrideable, and by most accounts , including valentino's, the engine characteristics which gave the ducati its straightline advantage particularly in 2007 also made it very difficult to ride.

(EDIT I do realise I probably should desist from all this, as the boot possibly quite temporarily is on the other foot, but I am a veteran of years on these forums where wosiworld was very much  the prevalent world view; even when 90% of posts ridiculed stoner I did not attack rossi or take issue with people justifiably acclaiming him and gave him full credit for his 2008 and 2009 championships, the 2008 championship being among his very best imo)

So Nostro...

Your comment that the D16 behaves like any other motorcycle, i hadn't realised you'd ridden it as you must have done if you can state that as fact.

Pedro could ride it as you have to dominate like the RCV .. is this the RCV Honda similar to the one that Rossi rode back in 2002/3 and won two titles on ?

Just wondering like. 

Puddled.

You need to get some sleep my friend as you're losing it.

We were comparing 2009 to 2011 and Rossi was faster than Stoner taking out the first lap..only fair as Rossi had to deal with traffic & Stoner didn't.

Wosi only ever compared Rossi's times on the Yamaha 2010 vs his times on the Ducati 2011.

Your assertion was that track conditions in the washed out, re-scheduled race of 2009 were likely to be slower..not faster. This is because you were trying to find an excuse/reason how Ducati God Stoner, in his third year on the bike, could actually be slower than Rossi who was making his debut.

The constant gymnastics and back-flipping does a man of your obvious education little credit and shows you up to be a Stoner fanboy of the first order. Well done.

Stop being a stero-typically bad loser and admit it..From lap 2 to the end Rossi was faster than Stoner..on his debut. The track was infact faster on the re-scheduled Monday making your excuses about a washed out slick track accounting for the difference irrelevant.
 

Check here for confirmation: http://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistics

This ain't denigrating Stoner pal..just pointing out that the over used cliche that Rossi couldn't ride the bike, perpetuated by orange sycophants masquerading as fair minded race fans such as your good self, is complete bunkum.

Get over your jumped up self Bruce..

This bar

It was raised just after Rossi finished the 2010 season 3,1,3,2,3, with a crook leg and gimpy shoulder?

The majority of the field found something just at the time he jumped on a to a bike that had been on a declining trend since 2007? Notice the word trend here. For Casey, then Nicky, it was always down.

Interesting..

What is the measure by which to judge progression..Nostro's big-brained analysis and two-valved exploits aside?

Improvement from one season to the next could be considered valid?..but that of course would mean the only alien who doesn't fits the bill here is Casey Stoner.

What about improving your gap over the same team mate?..Oh dear no, we can't have that.

Some give the impression of improvement, but fail to deliver the big prize on what is clearly superior equipment.

Maybe riding a bad bike for a few years then jumping on to a good one can help and make a rider feel more comfortable, like the difference between a bar stool and a leather recliner?

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.