Here we go again.
So rossi's record on other bikes means he actually won races on the ducati, and stoner didn't?
I agree with what gobmeier said, particularly since it is almost exactly what I have said on here for months and elsewhere for years, and what rossi himself has said. I also agree with those who question why gobmeier felt the need to say it though, with valentino now a yamaha rider again, and he not much more than 80 seconds into his job at ducati.
Again from you the doublethink about how stoner deserves no credit for winning races let alone a championship for ducati, again with attribution of his success to massive advantages despite all evidence to the contrary. Sure he wouldn't have won in 2007 without a straight line advantage, because then as now the thing handled like a pig, quite likely significantly related to the configuration/geometry and power delivery of the engine. Marco melandri, whilst obviously not up to rossi's standard but still capable of 5 race wins and a second in the championship for honda, got on that magnificent trellis frame bridgestone tyred etc etc 2007 ducati with its huge advantages, couldn't get within 2 seconds of stoner and almost immediately went into a deep decline. Loris capirossi, a multiple race winner in strong contention for the title before being injured in 2006 was 7th on the gp07.And a bike with a much more pronounced straight line advantage, the aprilia cube, won exactly 0 races in 2003.
Surely someone as great as Valentino not being able to ride the thing makes stoner's results more creditable rather than less so. I don't see it as a knock on rossi or reflective of the relativity of the riders on proper bikes either, imo you shouldn't have to ride a racebike the way the ducati had to be ridden, and having to be absolutely focused and on the ragged edge all the time took its toll on stoner himself. I can't imagine any recent spanish riders who have competed in the premier class prospering on the thing, certainly not pedrosa and probably not lorenzo, a smooth cornerspeed type rider, good though he is. Perhaps marquez is someone who could also have balanced the thing on the ragged edge, but we should perhaps see how he goes in an actual premier class race before drawing too many conclusions about him.