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Matthew Birt  says:

Ben Spies backs new Ducati strategy

Ben Spies believes Ducati’s new strategy to give full factory machinery to its entire MotoGP line-up in 2013 will be crucial in helping the Italian manufacturer close the gap to Honda and Yamaha. In a bid to develop the Desmosedici at a much faster rate and expand the amount of rider feedback, Spies, Andrea Iannone, Nicky Hayden and Andrea Dovizioso will...

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hugelean

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hugelean says:

I daresay if casey and dani missed as many races as rossi and dani missed last year rossi would have easily surpased the 20 points difference, given as good a bike as stoner (comparitively speaking) and i daresay rossi would have embarrassed him. A factory no 1 rider should only ever be compared to the title winner.

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

hugelean

Please repeat your last post in English, I didn't quite get it.

The ducati gp10  and the gp11 were both pigs, without any shadow of doubt.  Ducati at the behest of the marlboro man developed the 2010 bike by their own testimony away from stoner towards "general rideability", presumably for their hopeful future signing of jorge lorenzo or valentino rossi, and imo the 2011 bike was also developed with a similar prerogative. The fact that the resultant bikes suited nobody is not the fault of either stoner or rossi imo, but perhaps does constitute some degree of proof that tobacco company advertising executives don't know much about race bike engineering or the quality or lack thereof of gp bike riders.

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CHRainmaker

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CHRainmaker says:

HL. I doubt you can understand the magnitude of the stupidity in your statement.

All I'm giving you is facts mate, there is no opinion involved, it's all there in black and white.

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hugelean

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hugelean says:

Apologises for the english its a hand held andbloodyvhard to type , you do know though, you have a point, when folk start criticising your grammer/typing...:-) chr honestly your stats arebaffling its just caseys one year then both caseycand nicky the next with provisos then just casey again how does that make sense?? Casey had a difficult year with his mystery illness and what amounted to truancy but it only highlights his drop in form in 2010. If anything his 2010 results could have been even further behind his 2009 again highlighting what was a sharp downward decline. I'd have given him top six in 2011. But 2012 he would have been lucky to match rossi but that doesn' t mean he couln't podium he had a different approach , probably would have come off more.

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CHRainmaker

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CHRainmaker says:

But Lean, your original post..

..said the Ducati had year on year got worse - nothing to do with Stoner's results on his own. I was just pointing out the error in that statement, up until Rossi partnered Hayden and Stoner went to Honda, the points haul for Ducati year after year were collectively better. That would lead me to suggest, the bike had improved.

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PaceyCasey

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PaceyCasey says:

wosi

"Ducati thought they had a captain..but he jumped in the lifeboat long before the women and children."

Yeah..then he went to Honda with his woman in tow, had a child of his own and bailed again..all the rattles slung out the pram to make way for that big bottom lip so he didn't trip over it.

You really ought to sort yourself out a new moniker PC, the loss & hurt is starting to have profound negative effect.
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Still twisting things eh bud? That's all you've got. That's all you do.

Shame. 

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

interesting..

CHR must be the only person on the planet who thinks the Ducati improved with Casey calling the shots..

Well done lad..a nice frilly pair of orange panties, embroidered with Stoners bottom lip, are winging their way to you for being fanboy muppet of the week.

 

NOW LISTEN UP!!

2010..Stoner scored 225pts. Hayden 163pts.

2012..Hayden scored 25% LESS points with 122.

Assuming Hayden hasn't got any worse as a rider, that means last years Ducati was 25% less competitive than it was in 2010.

Applying that 25% deduction to Stoners 2010 tally of 225pts gives us an idea of how he MAY have done, had he stayed and ridden the bike last year.

225 minus 25% = 168. Rossi scored 163pts last year. Pretty close eh?..but hold on a second, I ain't finished yet.

That is 168pts riding ROSSI'S aluminum beam frame bike that Hayden says is a massive improvement over Casey's Carbon Fibre bike.

Had Stoner stayed, there is NO fkin way the new bike would have been built.

So..putting it all together, had Stoner stayed and ridden for Ducati in 2012, on the CF bike he thought was good and that he 'begged' for, it's fairly safe to extrapolate that he would have finished with LESS points than Rossi did 2012 and probably behind Crutchlow in 8th position.

What d'ya reckon to them apples, you cross-dressing Orange sausage jockeys? 

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CHRainmaker

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CHRainmaker says:

What's that noise?..

..Aah, it's only Wosi's giant swollen head squeezing it's way through the door. But let's look at the facts though you raggedy hound and only focus on what we know. In 2009, Hayden scored 104 points. In 2010, still partnering Stoner, he scored 163. That's 59 more in old money! In 2011, partnering Rossi, he scored 132, but went back in 2012 to 122. The bike was now in decline with Rossi running things. It had improved collectively with Stoner calling the shots, the points say so, and as we know you mangey mongrel, the points don't lie.

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CHRainmaker

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CHRainmaker says:

You're in a tail spin Wosi..

..just remind us where Hayden say's the ally frame is a MASSIVE improvement, because I don't think he did say that did he?..Naughty boy.

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PaceyCasey

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PaceyCasey says:

wosi

So..putting it all together, had Stoner stayed and ridden for Ducati in 2012, on the CF bike he thought was good and that he 'begged' for, it's fairly safe to extrapolate that he would have finished with LESS points than Rossi did 2012 and probably behind Crutchlow in 8th position.

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Them there straws you keep clutching are getting fewer with every post bud.

Casey would ride the Duke, in any guise, to it's/his maximum. Rossi would not. He rarely pushed the thing as hard as he should have. It was there for all to see. There's nothing to extrapolate. Stoner would have continued on his downward spiral as you and yours love to keep mentioning but his downward spiral would've kicked Vales results into touch all day long. We know this due to Caseys time and results year in year out aboard the uncompetetive Duke. He rode it like he stole it, as he did on the Honda.

Despite what you say, there's a reason Stoners the most decorated rider in Ducatis MotoGp history. You work it out.

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