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philehidiot

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philehidiot says:

EU new plans

They have allocated nearly £2 million to employ staff to trawl through social networks, forums, etc looking for evidence of euroskeptic opinions. They are to then find the ringleaders and discredit them.


"NINETEEN EIGHTY FOUR" WAS NOT MEANT AS A HANDBOOK ON HOW TO RUN THE PERFECT STATE.

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SlowLearner

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SlowLearner says:

Christ almighty!

Any mention of the EU certainly brings out... erm, how to put this diplomatically... some colourful ideas!

MK:  Good to see you're still about.  Have you seen what your counterparts in the US are up to these days, the swivel-eyed teabaggers?  With them, it's all about the UN.   With the UKIP (=BNP "lite" brigade), it's all about the EU.

Fascinating parallels, and the exact same far-Reich playbook is employed for each, using almost exactly the same language.

(btw - was it in the Express too?  It must be true!  :lol:  )

Take care mate.

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Homer40

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Homer40 says:

Have to agree...

......with the comments on here about the EU.

Discredit anyone.......fuck me, they want to take a good long look in the mirror before looking at anyone else. Fucking fresh air robbing cunts.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::wink:

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SlowLearner

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SlowLearner says:

"discrediting"

Don't you lot think that there's been a fair bit of discrediting of the EU - relentlessly, on a daily basis - from our little-Englander press for decades?

Most of it is made up or grossly exaggerated too (eg, the "straight banana" regulation myth).

If they want to set the record straight, why shouldn't there be a budget for that - or are you content to be fed lies day in, day out, and believe them?

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SlowLearner

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SlowLearner says:

Torygraph lies

By the way, I'm not sure the Torygraph can be completely depended upon when it comes to the EU.

Euro Myths

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The city once known in English as Bombay is now known as Mumbai. So should the spicy snack known as Bombay Mix be renamed, in order to strip it of colonial overtones?

According to one British newspaper in July 2006, this is precisely what "nutty EU officials" were demanding, in the name of political correctness. It would be an exaggeration to say that the British nation was united in indignation, but the story is an interesting one because it is a 100% pure example of what the European Commission calls a "euromyth".

It was traced back to its roots by the Daily Telegraph's Brussels correspondent at the time, David Rennie, who spoke to the small-town news agency which sold the story to the national press. The agency's news editor said it "came from a mate of his at the Home Office, who had heard it being talked about". Had he tried to pin it down, or found any piece of paper discussing the change? Had he found a manufacturer who had been advised to alter a product name? No, it was "just meant to be funny for the tabloids".

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weasel64

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weasel64 says:

sl

just renewed my BNP membership does that make me a euro-sceptic ?????

dont waste your time answering that  , too damn right im sceptic , full pull out is the only way ( & no quips about my father doing the same thing 48 years ago ) just incase achmed thinks hes a genius by mentioning that bit ..

as for "  are you content to be fed lies day in, day out " , europhiles thrive on it , it's call " drip feeding " pro euro stuff & its happening now via media outlets ( the pro ones ) & in schools , off for a shower now i'll be back all fresh & ready to discuss some of your finer points ( naturally i'll be batting for the out of europe brigade ) , nowt personal though , just my opinion .. brb :wink:

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philehidiot

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philehidiot says:

Slow Learner

I know what you mean - I read something somewhere about how the EU now wants to control our press. I read the actual EU brief and I couldn't find a single way to interpret it as an underhand way of controlling the press.


However, they have lied to us, ignored the democratic process and proven themselves anti-democratic. We have lost our capacity for self-government through its non exercise. Power is passing from the people to central government and from government to Brussels. The EU commission has the arrogance to say that 1 Euro spent at Brussels level is worth 4 at government, even though it is well recognised that money spent closer to the people is most efficient and has the greatest effect on quality of life.

Even in the 14th Century we had come up with the concept of liberty and "government of the people, by the people and for the people" as was written in the prologue of John Wycliffe's Bible translation of 1384 and quoted by Abraham Lincon. Today this concept is being slowly ground away by the EU. The government is not of the people (yes the parliament is but their powers are strictly limited and so is debate with people allowed all of one minute to make a point. Their only real power and responsibility is to hold the commission to account on the budget and they've not done that properly for 18 years), the actual power centre - the commission is not elected by the people and suspicion is growing suspicion that its primary intent is to secure power with ensuring it is making decisions in the interest of the people a distant second.

Ask yourself - what powers do we have and what mechanism is in place for us to remove the president of the EU? We didn't vote for him in any way and there is no mechanism for the elected parliament to remove him as far as I can find.

This is not democracy, it is more the Soviet Union. Starting off with good intentions but now over reaching and demanding access to a military. A near dictatorship with command of armed forces is a dangerous thing, especially when it's the powerful and technologically advanced armed forces of Europe.

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weasel64

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weasel64 says:

what phil said

i second ..

if i were to type that lot out id still be here on sunday ???

well put phil ..

 A near dictatorship with command of armed forces is a dangerous thing, especially when it's the powerful and technologically advanced armed forces of Europe.

 

now thats scary :upset::upset:

 

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SlowLearner

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SlowLearner says:

philehidiot:

While much of what you're saying about a lack of democratic control (in the main, anyway) is correct, don't forget our country is not all that democratic either.

We don't vote for the monarchy, yet they nominally rule over us - on a hereditary basis - and certainly will continue to live large at our expense.  We have no say in that.  We are "subjects" of the Crown, not citizens of our country.

Then there's the  unelected upper chamber - again, largely on a hereditary basis.  A proportion of these are bishops, appointed to tell the chamber what God apparently wants us to do. 

The government is run by a party which got nowhere near 50% of the vote, and even when we're not in a coalition,  their share would never be 50% of the electorate.   We do not have any form of proportional representation to give even a semblance of democracy to our government.

If we did have PR, then greens, UKIP ,and the BNP too for that matter, would have a proportional voice.  As it is, they have none whatsoever.

As for the powers taken away from "us", what are you thinking of in particular?  Freedom of information Acts, laws saying you cannot discriminate on a number of grounds, labour protection laws (eg. against unfair dismissal, child labour, minimum wage, maximum working hours, redundancy payments and so on),  the Human Rights Act - the list is quite extensive.

If we did get out of Europe, the idea would presumably be to grovel to the Amerikans even more obsequiously than we do at present.  But would they be interested?  We're far more useful to the US as their ambassador to Europe - and have stated so openly.

Would you really want to do away with Strasbourg's Supreme Court, the final appeal for your human rights?   Would you want the bloody Tories tearing up employment protection?

Full democracy is a very dangerous thing too - and we're lucky in some respects that we don't have it.

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babyrocket

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babyrocket says:

discredit

ffs a little rich coming from these tossers, ministers and parliamentery types cant discredit any body, judging by the recent past history of scamming expenses, dodging speeding points and the like, so if you need any address i look forward to supplying when requested, now get back into the trough and guzzle as much of that money before it is actually used for a serious reason.

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philehidiot

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philehidiot says:

We

started off well with Magna Carta and then kinda got complacent. On separating from Europe we should have a Bill of Rights or something similar to enshrine in law the positive aspects of the EU laws. The Germans have made bloody internet access a human right and want it to be EU wide. That means we could sue the ISPs who let us down.... really? would that help anyone?


Powers that have gone include the ability for us to negotiate our own trade deals as we are inside a customs union and at the WTO meetings we are represented by a Eurocrat.

Foreign policy powers have gone as the EU wants a unified foreign policy.

Control of our borders has gone. At a time of mass youth unemployment, we're still open doors for young people seeking unskilled employment. We need a system like Australia more than ever until the economy recovers.

The common agricultural policy is just plain crap and actually seriously damages providers in Africa, etc. We then give them aid which damages them further - there is evidence to show that like for like countries with and without aid do better without it. What they want is for us to stop the extra duty so they can trade with us on an equal footing.

Powers over our own fishing - 100,000 (estimated) fishing jobs have gone since the common fisheries policy came in.

The power to NOT give them about £54 million a day. Do you realise that without PFI, the NHS would be in approx £2billion surplus? We could have afforded all the schools and hospitals we wanted if we weren't paying such an extreme amount of money in order to be 'grateful' that we get some back to invest in wave power and graphene. Oh Thanks, EU. We could afforded that ourselves quite happily without you.

Oh and the several hundred thousand you gave to the acting chimps with their belching song was really rather splendid, too.

EDIT: and another thing that boils my piss - that we're forced to get energy from renewables. A fine sentiment but not one that will help the environment one bit. A wind turbine saves emissions? No. Not when you examine it as part of the entire system that is the national grid. Nuclear output isn't quickly and easily modulated but gas is. Because the wind might stop blowing whilst demand remains the same, we have to have the entire capacity of wind backed up by gas turbines and because of the variable nature of wind, these have to be left on spinning reserve. It's the same as keeping your engine running at the lights so you can react instantly except much less efficient. Due to this matching of output and constantly running gas turbines, the actual emissions savings are somewhere between trivial and nil. So we've fucked our countryside for nothing and these eyesores will never cover their own "carbon cost" of construction never mind actually save emissions. When you consider the emissions the EU and the UK actually produce, we're pissing in the sea anyway. But we must obey as the EU says it's good for us, even though their own scientific report on the subject said that it's only really a display as the emissions savings globally even if the entire EU complied would be negligible at huge cost. We need Gen 3II nuclear reactors as a stop gap for Gen 4 and then fusion. Simple as. 3II fission practically everything and you can throw certain types of waste into them to fission as well and Gen 4 will fission everything. No waste. This is the way forward which is being hampered by public opinion being tainted by morons in Russia and imbaciles in Japan who ran old designs next to a geological phenomenon called "the ring of fire". Sound clever? No. Then the Germans knee jerk and go and shut down their entire nuclear industry. Are you next to a volcano or large fault line? No? Are you running dangerous experiments in poorly d

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