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Mattherw Birt  says:

Valentino Rossi ecstatic with Sepang speed

Valentino Rossi could barely contain his delight after he finished the Sepang MotoGP test with the third best time on his much anticipated return to Yamaha’s factory squad. After a disastrous two-year spell with Ducati, Rossi answered questions about whether he was still fast enough to challenge dominant Spanish duo Dani Pedrosa and Jorge Lorenzo in emphatic fashion in Malaysia. The nine-times...

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saturn392

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saturn392 says:

Ridgey

 

Two things of note in your post

1. You admit Rossi ''was a once great hero'' - it's yet to be proved that he's finished.

2. Correct - Muhammad Ali was the greatest - but he had times of adversity (lost 5 bouts) from which he recovered. Ali was also - a clown and a showman like Rossi and was much derided by those like Nostro who could not abide such behaviour.

ALI is remembered as the Greatest for his glory years and Rossi will be remembered as the Goat for his.

Doohanfan - fair play mate - you are probably the most fair-minded person on this forum - respect.

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racingfan99

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racingfan99 says:

Rossi is a natural born racer - it is undeniable, the wins proves that. Yes he set himself apart from many other riders who he raced again because of his flair, charisma and famous celebrations track side BUT he transcended the sport and brought a much needed media attention and sponsors to Motogp.

It has been happening through the years and throutgh all sports as long as there has been competition. The likes of Sheene, Agostini, Mcenroe, Agassi, Sugar Ray leonard, Ali, Tyson, George Best, Maradonna, Usain Bolt, Beckham and even Gazza - without them their relative sports profiles at their times would not have been the same in the media.

When sports stars are able to to this it always adds to the sport as well as the individual. How many riders are on the grid because of Rossi? And in truth how many TV companies and corporate money machines would be rushing towards the bike world because they know Pedrosa (as good a rider as he is) will excite the world and sell a lot of product?

At the end of the day its a business which evolves with cash and if the money drops then it is always to the detriment of the sport concerned. we need more like Rossi, Marco was obviously the next guy who would have had similar potential sadly. As a racing fan it should be about the racing and who comes home first wins....but the reality is all sports need individual characters who can create interest.

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Farnarkle

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Farnarkle says:

Rossi vs Stoner take #2

"There never really was a great rivalry between the 2 of them on the races track. Sure there was Laguna 08 but other than maybe another 3 or 4 incidents that was it."

Sort of true - but not entirely.  Catalunya '07: Rossi off pole, Stoner off 4th; at the finish, Stoner from Rossi by  0.069, after multiple passes by each on the other - and with Pedrosa in the mix almost all the way.  The Yamaha had all but caught the Duc for top speed by then and had a significant advantage in cornering and braking and the win came down to racecraft.

Phillip Island, '09. Yamaha the WC winning bike, Rossi 5 P.I. victories in the premier class to Stoner's then 2. Stoner off pole, Rossi off 2nd, 0.05 slower.  Stoner held Rossi off, played him into all but a terminal mistake, forcing him to back off in order to finish.  Rossi stated he'd never had to fight so hard for 2nd in his career - and he was 1.93 back - Stoner pulled 1.2 seconds on him in the last lap!

L.S '08 gets the attention because of the visual drama of 'the pass' - which was less racecraft than a potentially fearful crash avoided by the fact that Stoner knew where Rossi would have to end up when he re-entered the track and avoided being there.  Elsewhere in that race Rossi certainly did exercise racecraft (extending into dubious tactics) that was successful; because Stoner's examples of  his racecraft resulting in success over Rossi have been more subtle and certainly uncontroversial, they tend to be forgotten by those to whom a race isn't exciting unless it's a cagefight. 

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RidgeRacerHRC

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Doohanfan : rossi cant be overated? cmon man he bombed on the ducati when so much was expected of him, in fact his adoring fans thought it was a foregone conclusion that he would win. Rossi overated? yes i think so!

Saturn- "of their once great hero" - meaning the hero of YOUR merry troops . Never did i see  him as a hero. But as the ramblings of this site shows, there are many that would follow him off the edge of a cliff if he just uttered the word. Yes Flo is revered as a god by the brainwashed, i aint denying that 

Rossi aint got a candlie to Ali in terms of showmanship. I simply dont understand what people blither on about Florence having 'charsima; and character??..? what so him jumping around the screen like a man-child, love letters to his bike, dopey victory celebrations and to explete every now and then in an interview or press conference has many of his adoring fans salivate and revel in his 'character'.....?

 

Side note, what a shame we missed out on 3 years of Ali in his prime. And your right racingfan99 people do transcend their sport which reaches them into greatness. Ali and his boxing, coupled with his generosity, political stances have all contributed to his greatness. Rossi IMO doesnt bear that mark apart lofty celebration amd tax dodging....? lol

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Must try harder..

Catalunya '07 was a belter and Stoners 4th win. He rode a great race and I can remember thinking at the time it was the first time he beat Rossi fair & square..well almost.

Stoner & Capirossi were fastest through the speed trap..10 kmh quicker than the Yamaha's. Edwards had the 11th highest top speed at the event, Rossi was behind him 13th. Ducati also had the Bridgestone advantage.

"Hold on..where was Capirossi?"..is the stock reply.

Well where the fk was Edwards?

 

PI '09..Rossi stalked Stoner - who wasn't in the title hunt after his poorly tumtum & fishing break and was doing the favourite win a few when it don't matter trick - He set the fastest lap and then let Casey go, to take 20pts and secure a valuable title points lead over Lorenzo, who crashed early.

It would have been a bit silly to throw away 20pts and your champoinship position..to race a rider well behind in the standings who didn't matter.

Hold on..didn't something very similar happen last year to somebody in Germany?

:laugh::winkie::tongue: 

 

 

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Farnarkle

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Farnarkle says:

Bullshit, in spades

"Stoner & Capirossi were fastest through the speed trap..10 kmh quicker than the Yamaha's"

Capirossi (6th): 314.

Pedrosa (3rd): 312.9

de Puniet (5th): 312.3

Stoner (1st): 311.9

Rossi (2nd): 307.3

Edwards (10th) 303.6

Fastest speed has sod-all to do with racecraft.  Stoner won through superior racecraft.  Once again, my weenie munchkin, you try to present a little slice of bullshit-flavoured hatred as fact, and as usual - fail. But hey - full marks for predictably holding your ground! You lot have been entertaining us since Canute tried it on with the tide, and the old routine just reeks of nostalgia. 

It's no wonder your last WC couldn't wait to get the hell away from the UK, though - Bazza wasn't a bullshit-tolerant sort of guy.  He came over here, where the men are men, ride fast and talk quietly.  It must have been a huge relief to get away from a place where the men are basically tits, shout everybody down and ride their fist.   

 

 

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Farnarkle

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Farnarkle says:

Bullshit, in spades

"Stoner & Capirossi were fastest through the speed trap..10 kmh quicker than the Yamaha's"

Capirossi (6th): 314.

Pedrosa (3rd): 312.9

de Puniet (5th): 312.3

Stoner (1st): 311.9

Rossi (2nd): 307.3

Edwards (10th) 303.6

Fastest speed has sod-all to do with racecraft.  Stoner won through superior racecraft.  Once again, my weenie munchkin, you try to present a little slice of bullshit-flavoured hatred as fact, and as usual - fail. But hey - full marks for predictably holding your ground! You lot have been entertaining us since Canute tried it on with the tide, and the old routine just reeks of nostalgia. 

It's no wonder your last WC couldn't wait to get the hell away from the UK, though - Bazza wasn't a bullshit-tolerant sort of guy.  He came over here, where the men are men, ride fast and talk quietly.  It must have been a huge relief to get away from a place where the men are basically tits, shout everybody down and ride their fist.   

 

 

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MrKrabs

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MrKrabs says:

Catalunya 07

Top speeds during a race can be distorted as a lot of slipstreaming is going on, if  a guy on a slower bike can stay tucked in and close coming out the corner then he can stay on the quicker guys tail by slipstreaming, the problem occurs when they come out the slipstream to try to overtake as they lose all the advantage of the slipstream (im sure everyone knows that) so when I look at top speeds I look at practice and warm up where slipstreaming doesn't occur so much

Catalunya 07 as follows

FP1 Stoner 319, Capirossi 316.6, Rossi 307.5

FP2 Stoner 321, Capirossi 318.7, Rossi 311.2

FP3 Stoner 319.6, Capirossi 317.4, Rossi 311.2

WU Stoner 320, Capirossi 317.5, Rossi 310.2

So the speed differance in a straight line between Stoner and Rossi on clear track was in fact about 10KPH

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DogBert

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DogBert says:

Ali generosity?

Think Joe Frazier would have something to say about Ali's generosity. Joe Frazier who helped out Ali when all others turned their backs on him. Gave Ali money, and fought for him to get his license back, petitioning Nixon. Then he beat him in the ring, and Ali showed his true colours, calling him an Uncle Tom, and a gorilla. Strong stuff in those days.


As for being the greatest, well he wasn't was he. That accolade goes unequivocally to Sugar Ray Robinson. From 1940 'till his first retirement in 1951 he had a record of 128 wins (84 KOs) and one loss to a much heavier LaMotta.

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Ssshh..

Nasty stutter you've got there son..calm down.

Your anger seems to have gotten the better of your humour lately Farnarkle and it's pretty clear who's got the hatred problem.

Deep breath Pal..Chin up. He's gone and ain't ever coming back - If he's got any sense and not to make the Spencer analogies even more pertinent that is..

 

http://resources.motogp.com/files/results/2007/MotoGP/CAT/event+maximum+speed.pdf?v1_96143780

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