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Eddy998says

 I'm not a Spies fanatic but at least he will push the Desmo which is a lot more than can be said about Flossi. Everything he has done has set back Ducati 2 years!!

Spies : What, like he pushed the Yam in the last two years and was more successful than Rossi?? (It was his old bike he was riding).

Ducati : The failure at Ducati is Ducati's fault, nobody elses. It's the engineers that develop the bike from rider feedback. Stoner/Capirossi/Hayden/Melandri and Rossi etc have all told them it is crap (vague front end)and only one rider could ride round the problem at certain tracks. The failure of Ducati is no good for the brand or the sport. I would love to see dukes battling up the front instead of struggling to beat CRT's. Even Abraham dumped the duke in favour of a CRT.

Unless Audi start to kick arse there, I can't see things changing for the better, which is a shame.

Hello Mort..Actually, Ben is 3 seconds off the pace and slowest Ducati.

You'd expect him to close that gap given a shoulder injury that seems to be taking an awful long time to heal, but Iannone isn't gonna get any slower, and I'm not sure he'll be better than 4th best Ducati in the final standings?

Nostro..remind me where we're measuring this 50mm from again? Sounds to me like you think the steering stem tube was moving 2 inches idependently, which is not what old wosi meant. There were reports of rubber on the front cylinder head which poked through the radiators though.

It's not what old Wosi meant

Only following a lot of snivelling backtracking after Nostro pointed out the damn fool naive nature of his comment. But of course I cannot extract said thread to yet again paint Wosi as laughing stock because in a pique of tanty ranting he had his previous profile wiped. More rebound damping required in your la-z-boy Wosi,or less pies.

Grrrrrrrrrrr!

I guess this will be the stick you'll use to beat Valentino with for the next two years, as Ducati flounder. Two years of chaotic development. It's all you've got left after losing your other sticks. What were they again? The bar was raised beyond him, and he'd reached his talent ceiling. Doesn't look to be the case does it? He's in the mix in testing, but always ups his game for the races, where it counts.

Reverse Engineering..

Aah..but you do have your response and we can therefore deduce the nub.

If I remember right, we talked about the reasons Ducati made the swap to CF when to most fans it seemed a bit of a mystery given the results..and still is judging by the amount of calls to go backwards and re-visit old theories.

We broached the inconsistency of the welds, cooling and airbox restriction, but the main thing was the deflection of the front subframe, which under the huge forces of braking wasn't strong enough to keep the front wheel planted where it should be.

We talked about about vertical, lateral and torsional flex in frames, engineering in controlled flex and how the vertical axis on the Ducati was too weak..the reason the front tyre kissed the cylinder head, which at that time poked through the split rads - a design admission from Bologna that they had problems.

Wosi had talked to people and read a report that deflection in tests, had been measured at up to 50mm at the steering stem tube..the point at which all the massive braking forces were leveraged on the tubular front subframe.

Nostro laughed and tried to take the piss - in typical fashion - to score internet points and presumably kudos.

He did this by normal back-flipping, ignoring the dicussion, focussing on the 50mm movement wosi had said and painted a picture of the steering stem/headstock twisting downwards on its own..as if the rest of the subframe had not deflected at all.

Now trot on Pal and start trawling those archives. Let's pick this discussion up and add-on your reasons for a return to the CF concept and examine the Aluminim Beam frame too..which everybody else in the racing world uses, but Nostro and his merry band of fuckos insist is Rossi's dumb arse idea that Dovi & Spies will have to Reverse Engineer this year, thereby providing a convenient excuse for what is bound to be the season from Hell for them.