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Matthew Birt  says:

Honda open to Casey Stoner wild card deal in 2013

Honda has said it would give serious consideration to offering Casey Stoner the opportunity to step out of retirement and race in at least two MotoGP rounds in 2013. There has been speculation that Stoner could ride a factory Honda RC213V machine in a bid to extend his phenomenal winning record on home soil at Phillip Island, while also taking part...

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TrumpetTriple

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Pointless

I can't see the point in this, by that point in the season the championship contenders will be mindful of the championship, Stoner would have nothing to lose and all to gain in going all out for the win, whereas the riders actually riding for the title won't want to get involved with a wild card rider, no matter how good he was.

He'd be best of concentrating on his new job and if he wants to come back to bikes then do it for a full season. 

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

unusual dichotomy

is what the ducati 800 had as a bike, invincible with an unfair advantage for stoner, deeply flawed for rossi and others.

I think it was always flawed, actually. What is absolutely lacking though is any evidence that the bike worked at all ridden in any way other than the way stoner rode it, mixed though his results may have been in 2010 at least.

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

he shouldn't have left

So, Dogbert, Stoner is now responsible for any unattributed rumour floated about him on the internet.

There is absolutely no evidence that this emanated from stoner, unless he denies it, one of the few things concerning which I agree with wosi.

It is as likely to have come from honda as anywhere else, they have been quick to comment which stoner has not done to my knowledge.

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DogBert

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DogBert says:

Read again dooman

All the words, then think about it, then apologies if you want, I'm not fussed. Here's a little help.

Anyway, one thing this would prove beyond doubt if it did happen

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Flase dawns and fanboy misinterpretation..

Haha..funny how all the Ducati apologist are wetting themselves with the news that Neil Spaldings speculative hearsay that the 1000cc RCV is 90 degrees.

Their unbounded joy and glee that Honda use one by extension means that the Ducati isn't a sack of shit? That all their woes can be laid squarely at the Dainese boots of Rossi?

Let's not forget HRC have had their bottoms severely spanked by Yamaha's in line 4 for ten years.

Ducati's problem has always been the packaging of their motor and where they've put it. That big old front cylinder, topped with bulky desmo valve-gear, in the horizontal plane..poking through split radiators. The weight distribution, lack of feel, light switch power delivery and under-steer. The front end losses and complaints from every single rider that raced it.

Preziosi sitting at the feet of Furasawa making notes on the centroidal triangle, like a lamb to the slaughter.

It's a ten-year-old design that has dominated everything Ducati have ever done, fitting multiple incarnations of chassis around it..and it's way past its sell by date.  

As has been said many times before, the benefits of perfect primary/secondary balance mark the configuration as having advantages..it's just Ducati haven't been able to fathom how to integrate it without the benefit of Bridgestone tyres built specifically for them.

Casey Stoner was a special talent..but even his fearless efforts to drag that bike beyond limits came up short in the end and he left.

Rossi can still ride a bike and has communicated more precisely than any previous rider the faults. Jerry Burgess is not a mug. Bologna listened but reacted too slowly and only now are doing what they should have embraced 2 years ago.

This news, if proved correct, solves not one iota of the problems Ducati have stubbornly ignored for years.

The stopwatch doesn't lie and 2 seconds is 2 seconds.

 

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

wait till it happens then

Dogbert, before assigning the huge fevered ego, there are an almost infinite number of unlikely events which might indicate all sorts of things about everyone.

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

Dogbert...

"How...... can you say this, "He'd still have won PI... on a 2 year old 800cc CF Ducati!", Hedge, when the tyres are completely different?"

Yeah, you're right... he set that race time on tyre technology that was 2 years old as well... forgot about that... as he did on tyres & a bike that were 3 & 4 years old too.

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DogBert

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DogBert says:

Yes but...

this one event in particular, if it happened, would confirm what a lot of us know/suspect, but which many of his defenders refute. He has a huge ego.

What you saying Hedge? The tyres they have now give better endurance and lap times? I thought they changed to these tyres to get rid of that ultra narrow operating window to make them a little safer, sacrificing performance?

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

not perhaps on very strong ground

if you require hypothetical evidence to prove your point.

It is not as though you need to invent things anyway, pretty well all successful sportsmen  have considerable egos, as well as many unsuccessful ones.

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Hedgehog..

Still trotting out the Stoner fanboy stock in trade?

Here's what the man himself had to say about Bridgestone tyres in a sportrider interview, August 2011.

Read it and let it sink in you Numpty.


SR: Has the Bridgestone tire allotment change (the FIM increased the number of front and rear tires available to each rider during a weekend) made a difference?

Stoner: No, honestly, I think since 2008 which is the last year before the single tire regulation, in my opinion they’ve gotten worse in quality. We’ve had base rubber and different things with the tires, we’ve struggled a lot more with them since then and year by year, maybe the speed and things are there but to get them warmed up, conditions need to be perfect. We haven’t really broken many lap records this year and the year before. You know there’s been advancements but as a modern tire I think they’ve gone backwards and made things a lot more difficult for us, and in a lot of instances, a lot more unsafe.
 
SR:
Much has been said about how sketchy the Bridgestones are before they get up to temperature. How difficult is it?
 
Stoner: You’ve really gotta get the carcass of the tire to move. You’ve got to get very heavy on the brakes all the way into the corner, trust the thing at one point just to get that carcass to move and heat the tire up. You know that seems to be the problem because when the conditions are cold, there’s just no way to get the temperature in it, that’s when you’re seeing a lot of big crashes this year and a lot of injuries, last year and the last couple of years especially.

I know that they know how to make a tire that’s got a wider range of working temperature. I’ve ridden with them for a while and with more time they should be better at this, but the fact that year by year they seem to be getting slowly worse and having more inconsistency with the same type tires, the quality control has been less, different things like that.
 

SR: How different are the Honda and the Ducati as far as their reaction to the tire temperature?
 
Stoner: The Honda sometimes seems to put more temperature into the tires more easily than the Ducati. The Ducati really struggled to get enough tire temperature. In some instances, that was really a difficult thing to deal with, we just couldn’t get any temperature in it which was very upsetting. At any circuit we’ve only got two (tire compound) options and if the conditions are going to be very hot, the Ducati’s sort of in its element because it doesn’t put as much temperature into the tire. Then normally at the end of the race it’s going to be a lot better whereas the Honda can sometimes make too much temperature. So we have to balance the chassis setting out to try and compensate for that. But overall it’s a lot at least better to have consistent tire temperatures rather than barely being enough or not enough at all, so it’s a lot better for me to ride the Honda and just reduce temperatures rather than the opposite.


http://www.sportrider.com/news/146_1112_motogp_world_champion_casey_stoner_interview_from_the_sort_of_archives/viewall.html#ixzz2LL6jf0Nt

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