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Matthew Birt  says:

Honda open to Casey Stoner wild card deal in 2013

Honda has said it would give serious consideration to offering Casey Stoner the opportunity to step out of retirement and race in at least two MotoGP rounds in 2013. There has been speculation that Stoner could ride a factory Honda RC213V machine in a bid to extend his phenomenal winning record on home soil at Phillip Island, while also taking part...

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

you are nothing

if not dogged in your persistence wosi.

Ask your boy valentino how easy it is to win races on a ducati, early season, midseason or late season. 

Similar to the number of race wins on a ducati by valentino btw is the number of riders taken out/down by stoner in the premier class since his rookie year ie exactly zero.

I do agree with you about giving no credence to any of this unless stoner denies it. 

Wildcarding on a ducati at PI would be more interesting if he was to wild card. Of interest in regard to the deficiencies of the ducati is a recent article in one of the Italian publications by neil spalding where he says the honda 1000 bike has a 90 degree V4, which David Emmett has been saying for some time.

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spondonste

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spondonste says:

Casey v Rossi

Casey certainly has got the Rossi fawners venting. Casey didn't like the technical direction the sport is going and I agree with his sentiment. The manufacturers have said as much and many of the big bike manufacturers don't compete in that championship (Aprilia, Kawasaki, Suzuki, Triumph, MV etc??). Those that do have been threatening to start up their own series if the organisors don't listen to them so the simple fact of the matter is that Caseys reason for leaving the chamionship has merit. It's easier to keep your head down and go on earning a lucrative salary than branching out in to something new.

The Rossi fawners only having spitting their dummies out and say Casey's a quiter or a moaner comments left. Casey's time at ducati has put a chink in Rossi's armour. Casey managed to adapt to get the best out of it but Rossi couldn't. Truth hurts doesn't  it!

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

The truth of the matter is if Stoner rode a Ducati now, he'd be 8th..and if he was on the CF bike he claimed was competitive, he'd be in hospital.

doohanfan..stop talking rubbish or give us a credible link. Everyone knows the RCV is 72 degrees.

"The main thrust of mass centralization has been in engine layouts: Suzuki's GSV-R uses a 65° V4 engine, Honda's RC212V uses a 72° V4, and Yamaha's M1 uses an inline 4 to make the engine even more compact, sacrificing a little bit of width for more centralization of mass." - David Emmett. 

http://motomatters.com/analysis/2011/08/08/the_trouble_with_the_ducati_desmosedici_.html

 

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Farnarkle

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Farnarkle says:

Wosi, welcome to 2012!

You want a credible link to the fact that the RCV 1000cc engine is now 90 degrees?

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/2013-honda-rc213v-90-v4-engine/#comment-277394

Talking to Spanish magazine SoloMoto, HRC boss Shuhei Nakamoto explains that the 90° V4 engine has benefits over the company’s previous 75° engine configuration, namely that the 90° engine doesn’t require a balancing countershaft. Nakamoto-san further explains that because of the countershaft’s absence, Honda’s 90° V4 runs with more power, and less vibration that its 75° predecessor, making the engine formidable enhancement to the RC213V platform.

There is strong reason to believe Honda has been running the RC213V in a 90° V4 engine configuration since the bike’s inception in 2012, which perhaps gives some insight into the Casey Stoner’s wry smile and his reply that the engine wasn’t the problem with the Ducati, when he was asked about Ducati Corse’s troubles throughout the 2012 season.

The main problem in 2012 was not the V of the Ducati but the V of the initial of the lead rider's name.

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ow01fogno1

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ow01fogno1 says:

legend

is casey stoner........

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

everybody knew

the angle of the  V on hondas 800 bike, derived from the V5 with its inherent balance and hence lack of necessity for a balance shaft, required when they went to the V4 800 engine of course. It was the 1000 engine I was referring to obviously, as farnarkle has said. David Emmett said last season, although not as far as I know on his own site, that he saw a 2012 honda with the covers off and it looked like a 90 degree V4. 

You have no way of knowing how stoner would have gone on the current ducati or on a development of the original carbon fibre thing led by him. However, no speculation is required regarding both him being able to win on ducatis and the difficulties others had in doing so, the latter making the dismissal of any win on a ducati nonsensical by any rational argument. 

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Shite..

Of course..Yes, silly me..obvious now it's all over the internet today, isn't it?

Emmett's storyline admitting he may have got it wrong of - Oh let's see - an hour ago..hardly supports your claim he's been saying the same thing for some time now does it? Ponce..

wosi has got a way of guessing how Stoner would go on the Ducati..2010.

FIVE own fault race crashes pushing too hard too soon AND 4th in the championship behind TWO injured rivals who had SEVEN races off while in HOSPITAL, NOT fishing.

Also that his team mate then, who he barely beat and averaged only being 0.4 secs faster than, is now over 2 secs off the pace.

This all on a bike that is far better than the one Stoner hopped off, and would never have been built had he stayed. 

Also..as 2006, 2008, 2009 & 2012 proved, The guy is a natural born crasher and can't handle pressure.

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steady2wheels

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atleast he would be faster than rossi

although that is hard to accomplish nowadays.

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Quite agree..

steady dolt.

It IS hard to accomplish now he's back on a competitive bike..and I'd wager it'll only get harder the more practice he has on it too.

For the sake of one-eyed fanboys such as your good self, let's hope these rumours are unfounded.

 

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

poncing and crashing

there is an ongoing thread on the powerslide forum concerning the angle of the honda V started in September 2012 by a bloke who claims to be David Emmett; there is ancillary evidence that he is, about as much as there is for you being a stoner hating English Rossi fan, wosi.

No race crashes for stoner in 2009, his crashes in 2008 were after the championship was gone and hence irrelevant by your argument, and if he is capable of crashing he is also capable of riding perfect seasons, that's racing as he and others, some even dear to your heart, say 

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