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Matthew Birt  says:

No influx of new engineering expertise at Ducati

New Ducati boss Bernhard Gobmeier says the hiring of a host of new engineering expertise will not be implemented to help the Bologna factory’s recovery in the 2013 MotoGP world championship. Gobmeier has the task of re-building Ducati’s MotoGP project after a disastrous two-year spell with Italian legend Valentino Rossi. The size of that task became apparent earlier this month when the...

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Nostrodamus

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Nostrodamus says:

Exactly Hr. Gobmeier

The biggest problem from 2011 / 2012 has been solved. Yellow has always been a second rate colour for Borgo Panigale. Good riddance.

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Chrisb970

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Chrisb970 says:

Nostro

You just can't forget about him can you... Sad, sad man indeed!

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Mort77

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Mort77 says:

Problems

It's interesting that Ducati are bringing in other Ducati people to help solve the bikes problems. It may work for them as fresh eyes will have a different perspective on the bike and won't be looking from the same angle as before. That said unless they are listened to it won't make any difference in the long run. Nostro, with every post you lower yourself further into the gutter. One would think that being a 9 times World Champion Rossi would warrant at least a modicum of respect from you but alas no. One would also think that seeing as how only one rider has ever been able to tame the red devil and even then his performance on said bike deteriorated over the years, leading us to one of 2 conclusions that either a) Stoner couldn't develop the bike,or b) Stoner's feedback was ignored, that you wouldn't insist on blaming Rossi and Burgess for all of Ducati's woes. Though when it comes to Rossi and Burgess you have about as much of an open mind as a round room has corners.

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hugelean

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hugelean says:

Any design related to any previous ducati designs I fear is doomed to fail.. The duke has over plenty of low down grunt over the japs in wsbk, it doesn't have to turn on a sixpence. In motogp they 'all' have huge grunt ergo, the slow/lack of steering becomes a major issue.. You have to laugh when you read about all the work Honda put into getting a couple of bags of sugar into the right place. Then we hear folk complaining about Rossi only being 20 points worse off than Stoner(in real terms)last year, after basically bringing an entire new layout/balance/base setting(if you can call it that) to every race. No doubt if ducati hadn't 'upgraded' the duke every weekend then Rossi would have been a damn sight closer to the front that Stoner was in 2010. Fact. Of course, Nostro you blaming Rossi makes the mother of all assumptions that the current bike can be 'set up' to be competitive. An assumption you've consistantly failed to give any credence to. Please don't mention casey 'again' he was nearly as far behind Jorge in 2010 as Rossi was this year.. He was that bad in 2010... If you pick out his 3 good results then without those he'd have been down in 10th or something that year, of course purely speculative on my part but who isn't..?? Fur coat and no knickers..

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Nostrodamus

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Nostrodamus says:

Take the blinkers off

The man was a disgrace last year. Christ he fell off at Laguna whilst daydreaming. Two seconds off the pace of a cripple at short-arse Philip Island. That's what you get for investing tens of millions in a Prima Donna Ducati.

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ratchetman

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ratchetman says:

Apoligy Nos?

Nos are you just stupid or ignorant. Perhaps both. I think its about time you apoligised for ranting on about Rossi. How come Rossi was so quick in the last test on the Yamaha and the Ducati was so slow even with Dovi on board. On second thoughts don't try to answer because you only come out with rubbish . But an apology would be nice. At least Ducati seem to be getting it right with the Panagali

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Sheene Fan7

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Sheene Fan7 says:

nostro

"The biggest problem from 2011 / 2012 has been solved. Yellow has always been a second rate colour for Borgo Panigale. Good riddance."

yeah that's why there there still over 2 seconds off

the ducati management and the bike are the problem not who is riding it

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hugelean

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hugelean says:

and still only finished 20 points further behind the champ than stoner... Rossi had a nightmare no question but it puts Caseys incredible season on a winning bike in a slightly different light...?? As I said fir coat and no knickers. Casey faster at less than a handful of tracks but considerably faster. The rest of time no quicker or worse in the gravel.. Knowing both riders take totally different approaches and knowing casey's inability to ride around problems on a well sorted bike(the Honda) we'll put Stoners bike through the changes that Rossi had. Would Stoner have been anywhere near Rossi??..Way too much evidence to the contrary.. You just can't say stoner was super competitive because he went well at about 30 percent of tracks...

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buelligan272

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buelligan272 says:

Doomed!

It's looking like Ducati are going to have an even more disastrous year than last year.
First the poor results of the Sepang test and now this from Mr Gobmeir.
The only good thing that will come out of it is the 2 pillocks that went on and on about how it was down to the No 1 Ducati rider and that the bike was more than capable with the right rider.
They looked stupid already but this season is just going to make them look plain daft and ignorant but most of us knew that already...ha ha ha :lol:

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

Buel

There were a few races last year where Hayden qualified the Ducati inside the top 5 and either a second or less from pole. Dry sessions. On a couple of occassions he was in front of Repsol Hondas.

A few races he ran with the leading pack, right up the backside of the leader in early stages of races. No use saying it was because of soft tyres because he wasn't always the only one. To run in that position, the bike had to be capable of it.

This doesn't mean that the bike was on a par with the Hondas or Yamahas, or that it was compliant and easy to set up. It does mean that there was pace in the bike and it was capable of turning in decent lap times. Maybe not lap times consistently quick enough to win a race, but it was there for all to see by TV coverage that it could be ridden quickly.

The problem seems to be as before, that it has a very fine set up window, if it's within it, it can be quick, if it isn't it can't. Or it requires a certain style that current riders may not have.

Who knows what Ducati's program was at Sepang 1. It seams reasonable to start with the bike they finished last year on in order to get new feedback and ideas from new riders. Make change after that, not before they've tried it. They've since tried new ideas at last weekend's Jerez test. Anything positive from that will presumably got to Sepang 2. The outcome of that test will be more interesting than Sepang 1

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