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Matthew Birt  says:

Andrea Dovizioso latest victim of Ducati understeer issue

After Casey Stoner, Nicky Hayden and Valentino Rossi complained incessantly about Ducati’s long-standing understeer issue, it was only a matter of time before new recruit Andrea Dovizioso got a clear understanding of the Desmosedici’s Achilles heel. Understeer was the single biggest issue that restricted Rossi to just three podiums in 35 races and a cure has eluded Ducati from the Stoner...

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Look Pal..

..like you, I'm not privvy to what goes on in the Ducati garage or back at Borgo Panigale but, unlike you, I can read between the lines and know that Rossi & Burgess are a class act who have proved themselves time & time again.

The whole problem it seems to me, is based around that engine which was designed years ago to be a load bearing centre piece for the monocoque iterations of the D16. 

It appears they cannot get the Centre of Gravity in the right place and that affects everything.

This was the idea behind a beam frame, to give them more scope to move the engine around. Burgess talked about the need for new crankcases because they'd run out of adjustment and the relationship of the output shaft compared to the swinging arm pivot was starting to affect other vital geometric givens which could not be ignored..swingarm length, wheelbase, transfer of weight..just to start.

Furasawa gave Preziosi a lesson about the magic triangle of GOG vs axle position. It got him sacked.

Ducati have said their engine is not the problem and will keep it BUT It is the only thing they haven't changed..yet they still have the same problems that Stoner found detrimental, causing him to write off meaningful title aspiration..

Despite the wins he still crashed far to often. Nobody else got near having the success he did and it was a one horse town. This is a fact and, Ducati keep saying they want to alter this perception, but haven't got the balls to make wholesale change and scupper a sinking ship.

WHY?..This is the question you SHOULD be asking.

Now..we know your reasons behind arguing Ducati's case, but you're starting to look like a fkin idiot. 

This is not something that has happened overnight, or since Rossi got there..and having him there with Burgess was Ducati's best chance at putting things right, but they blobbed it. They wouldn't/couldn't commit to implementing a ground up re-design and have been caught dithering with pants around their ankles.

They will get a damn good thrashing this year as pennance, a bit like you Bulto if you carry on with this futile anti-Rossi bullshit.

The game is up my friend and you are going down unless you sort yourself out.   

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princeofrepsol

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Time to go back to the Monocoque

Stoner and now Checa have proven this was the right path, Rossi's aluminium Turd was just a desperate attempt to appease the fools overinflated ego it is about time Gobmeier got Pipo back at Corse and things moving forward again. Interesting fact did you know that Aluminium has been linked to alseimers, probably explains the penchant of the Rossi fans around here to conveniently forget his cringeworthy behaviour and ratshit performance over the last couple of years.

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Chupa repsol poya..

Interesting fact #2..

Did you know that Rossi was faster on the CF monocock than Stoner?

http://www.ducatinewstoday.com/2011/09/stoner-better-than-rossi-on-a-ducati/

 

Keep the Spanish lessons up Pal.

An Aussie/Iberian rentboy..whatever next?

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princeofrepsol

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Speaking of Turds.....

It looks like the pump truck is making good progress on the PI portaloos if Wosi's appearance is any measure.

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princeofrepsol

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I expect Hugelean.......

Will float by later.

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Haha..deep breath mate

..that wiffs putrid and you know wosi emanates the gentle smell of English roses..?

Must be all your homeboys crappin themselves at the prospect of Australia's talentless winter of discontent, the cold dark long bleak years ahead and..having to learn Spanish while sat on a high bar stool at the Pink Coconut.

Repeat after me..I must twist the throttle harder, I must twist...

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1986vfr750

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1986vfr750 says:

wosi

Great post...as usual the only comebacks seem to be name calling peppered with a few out of context facts spliced creatively together to form a " fact/lie". I remember the "crankcase" interview with burgess and it really brought to light for me how fucked the bike was and how muleheaded ducati was/is. Ducati DID NOT listen to rossi completely. They picked and chose what was easiest or what they felt like doing. As i said earlier....Its like putting awesome rotors on your car but keeping the same shit calipers, rubber brake lines and oem pads and expecting a stopping improvement. Changing the frame but not adjusting the engine to compliment those changes is obviously much more complex( as you already pointed out) than the above scenario but shares a fundamental similarity...changing one thing on a precision piece of equipment requires adjustments all over to make it work properly. Rossi was willing to roll the dice and rebuild the company but ducrapi hummed and hawed for too long, so he left. Its funny how they are doing just that now...

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

Wosi

They will get a damn good thrashing this year as pennance, a bit like you Bulto if you carry on with this futile anti-Rossi bullshit.

The game is up my friend and you are going down unless you sort yourself out.

You're starting to sound like Buell, god help you

The bike didn't work properly before Rossi got there, it still doesn't work properly now, so how can I blame Rossi for fcking up the bike? I don't know whether it will take a unique set-up, riding style or a complete redesign for them to resolve it. This year's riders may well struggle as badly as the rest have. I wouldn't bet against it.

I don't disagree with most of what you've said and yes I remember clearly Burgess talking about the pivot point of the swingarm - and that was right at the end of their tenure, Burgess had up until then stated many times the engine wasn't the problem. He may finally have been on the right lines, maybe not, the only way to have found out was a new bike with new engine and geometry. Maybe Ducati just couldn't afford it, who knows?

Reading between the lines doesn't make either of us right, this is just a forum for banter and debate, which has to end for me now as I have to start work. My only argument is your stance that they ignored Burgess' advice because theie is no hard fact to confirm exactly what they didn't do.

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hello4646

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hello4646 says:

Cant read

Brain.   To take the cap loacks off your PC its's the btton marked "Cap Lock"  We all thought you could not read, now we know"  Retard

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

yes el diablo

The ducati had a huge advantage in 2007, and the yamaha was always terrible, but even more so in 2007.


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