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Simon Patterson  says:

Stoner DNFs in V8 debut

Casey Stoner's V8 debut came to an abrupt halt after a punctured tyre saw him retire from the first race while in 13th place. He got off to a good start, impressing by qualifying 12th around the Adelaide street circuit, then moving up to 10th by the first five laps. However, he then dropped back to 13th, losing time through the slower...

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AldoApache

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AldoApache says:

Never achieved?

Is that a conversation you really want to have after Rossi's shattering two years at Ducati?

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

Wosi mate, you've been crying the biggest tears of all these past two years and we see no reason that the hankies will be put away this year either. What I'm talking about Wosi is amply illustrated in virtually every post you make which goes out of your way to remove any credit Stoner should have for winning his races / titles  -  whatever the topic. You always bring it around to Stoner. The guy has fried your brain.

You nit-pick every incident involving him and overblow those that you think justify your belief that he was fragile of mind and easily distracted. Any issues with the bike, such as chatter, is his fault for not knowing how to set it up because he's lazy.  Any mistake he makes is because he's buckled under pressure.  Face it man, all this is because deep down you know he had the measure of Rossi but you can't accept it, you're in dneial, hence the endless crusade to undermione the guy's ability. If you say it often enough it becomes fact - isn't that how it goes.

Nakamoto's little speech is purely his own thought - a subjective one whilst reflecting on a season. When Stoner crashed in Germany it was his first in a race on the Honda. He was going for a win - you know, the objective of racing. He thought he had the chance to do it but made a mistake. It happens. He talks of him being affected by Germany as the reason he couldn't find a set up in Mugello. Jerez was another track he struggled in practise and qualifying, much the same as Mugello, but in Jerez he won the race. Mugello was his first bad race weekend for Honda. Big deal and hardly the sign that he was coming apart mentally when in the next race he went out and destroyed Lorenzo and Pedrosa at Laguna. How could this be? He was a mental basket case by now surely? Using the old chassis that didn't work as well as the new one (seems it did though eh) Racing at the track where he was left mentally destroyed by the great VR and at which he should have crumbled through repeated flashbacks of his humiliation the moment he reached the corkscrew - although he may have got over that when he saw VR wobble off into the gravel at 2 seconds a lap slower than he was.

When he crashed at Indy he was one of several riders to do so across all classes at the same corner, not the only rider to crash all weekend. This time he was unlucky and picked up an injury that finished his season. Again you over analyse a situation, looking for a cause of the crash that will benefit your argument that he was crumbling mentally and the one you come up with was that he was pushing too hard, too soon for no reason. Well fancy that, a rider trying to improve his lap time in qualifying. What the fck was he thinking.

 

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Farnarkle

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Farnarkle says:

And yet more Rossi records!

Finishing 7th and 6th in the WC in successive years on a Ducati with zero wins in either year - something Stoner never achieved. Managing precisely one podium in a year on a Ducati - something Stoner never achieved.  Managing just two podiums in a year on a Ducati - something Stoner never achieved, also. Failing to get a pole position two years running in motoGp - something Stoner never achieved. Entering the top of the Corkscrew on your arse - something Stoner never achieved.  Failing to win at P.I. six years in a row - something that Stoner never achieved.  Whingeing like a constipated bear about the bike from the first moment you stepped onto it to the last moment you rode it - something Stoner never achieved.  Absolutely failing to deliver any respectable level of success for your manufacturer - something that Stoner never achieved.

But who's counting, hey?  This thread is about Stoner's DNF in v8 racing, and on that score, Rossi is definitely ahead - he's never had a DNF in v8 racing.  The man is a god, a GOD, I say.

 

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DogBert

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DogBert says:

And there we have it

Beautifully illustrated by simple simon choosing to ignore the subsequent effects on the Stoner psyche from the crash in Germany, and Bulto blaming all the Yamaha engineering, and Michelin tyre problems of 2006 on Rossi. Nakamoto's opinion doesn't count but yours does Bulto? Even though you don't care and probably didn't say what you wrote anyway. It's quite staggering the lengths you'll go to to protect a guy who was pretty good, but when the chips were down, and by that I mean titles, this isn't the NBA, or baseball, was found wanting.

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

Dogbert

People could be forgiven for thinking you are some sort of cyber coalition of Wosi and Buelligan

Ever heard of mild sarcasm? I'm just using the arguments that you lot apply to Stoner and by the rules that you use to apply them, stating that they also apply to any other rider too - including yellow 46

And as for the Stoner crash in Germany affecting his psyche, this is all because he had the only bad race in his two years for Honda at the next race in Mugello? You assume it was because Germany unravelled him mentally - because it suits your argument that he's mentally fragile. Follow that argument through and he should have been in an even worse state by the next race at Laguna. It would stand to reason wouldn't it, as there was nothing in Mugello's performance to restore confidence lost at Germany?

Yet what happened? Oh yes, he won convincingly, using the chassis that Nakamoto, who probably couldn't ride one of those bikes out of the garage without high-siding it, said he shouldn't have used because the new one was better. And beating Pedrosa on the new chassis by about 10 seconds. Some psychological damage there then, for all to see. Good job he was affected, otherwise he'd have lapped them all. You pick Mugello as an example of the 'damage' to his psyche and totally ignore the next race which he dominated. Why is that I wonder. Amateur psychiatry gone wrong?

What you don't get is that it isn't about defending one rider or attacking another, it's about questioning the psycho-babble comments of Rossi's more fervent supporters for what they are - a continuing disrespect to all riders and propogating the myth that Rossi is peerless and cannot be beaten by anyone on equal terms

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

as I said dogbert

rossi had similar incidents to stoner's 2 incidents in 2012 except they were in different years, costing him 2 titles rather than one. Again, that's racing, it can happen to anyone, and rossi over most of his career, 2001 to 2009 anyway, probably made fewer errors than any rider in history over such a period of time. I am not convinced stoner would have won anyway, jorge is very good and relentless, even 1 mistake can cost you a title against him.

Any problems yamaha and rossi had in 2006 were in their own control, and may well have been yamaha's fault, although this is obviously only an acceptable line of argument for rossi and not stoner as bultoboy has been trying to explain to you. There were no last minute rule changes as there were in 2012 in any case, without which the 2012 honda may well have been as invincible as you say, they were still well off stoner's sepang times this year.

If you don't believe what everyone else who has ever had anything to do with the 800 ducati has said about the bike and how stoner was able to ride around significant problems to exploit the straightline performance perhaps you might believe JB and valentino themselves, who have said that the way stoner got the thing through corners was impossible to replicate, and valentino from the get go has said the engine characteristics which presumably gave the straightline performance basically made the bike unrideable.

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

yes acanada

rossi winning the titles in 2008 and 2009 was very impressive, he rode brilliantly particularly in 2008, and his 5 other titles were well deserved and brilliant as well.

This doesn't make another rider's 2 titles and 38 wins negligible though, and claims of bike advantage for other riders when rossi won all his titles on factory hondas and factory yamahas on the best tyres, and didn't do so well when he rode for an equipe other than the 2 traditional powerhouses are frankly ludicrous.

I don't think rossi's 2 years at ducati negate the rest of his career either, he is a conventional rider even if a peerlessly good one, and the ducati is an unconventional and at least from 2010 on an out and out bad bike.

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CBR11X

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CBR11X says:

Casey did well in the 2nd race, if anyone here gives two fucks. Started from last 30th and managed to get to 14th. Not a bad effort IMO.

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

The pain just gets worse..

Mild sarcasm is one thing..although we'd doubtless prefer a little wit.

Blind humourless devotion in the face of all the evidence just makes you look an idiot who can't get over the disappointment.

When Nakamoto San..the man who employed Stoner and looked upon him as a Son points out failings that have long been discussed because of previous inconsistency and strange behaviour, most people would sit up and listen.

Not Bulto though..he can't ride an RCV and it's just an opinion so we should write it off as bollocks.

Mate..it's not the Rossi fans doing the crying, it's you.

And I think most here will just shrug shoulders, look at the sky and find it pretty fkin typical.

Have you considered it might actually be you who's in denial?

You're almost as deluded as Farnarkle who went as far as to say he never said it, which is surprising as I'd have put money on you coming out with something like that.  

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acanada46

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acanada46 says:

CBR11X

From 30th to 14th passing inferior cars and gridfillers, fkin amazing.

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