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Rossi: 'Ducati can't deal with criticism'

Valentino Rossi has revealed more about his fractious relationship with Ducati in MCN's exclusive new interview (out on Wednesday). The 34-year-old's comments throw new light on the team's inability to make progress back up the grid – a problem he says stems from their inability to trust its riders when they point out a problem with the bike. He says in the...

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saturn392

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saturn392 says:

Bob

If Rossi's input is as bad as you say how come the Yamaha was so successful for so many years - after all his team-mate in the Gauloise sponsored years was none other than the loud-mouthed (in your words)  yank  who's won nothing in 10 years so his input wouldn't have counted for much would it ? 

If your logic was correct the Yamaha would have gone backwards as soon as Rossi slung his leg over the seat.  Same applies to his Honda years..      Casey's speed and riding style masked the Ducati shortcomings to the point where Ducati believed there was nothing wrong with their bike and became complacent. 

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hugelean

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hugelean says:

Pretty much what most folk thought all along..

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

the cf bike

became a non-goer as soon as they brought in the restricted engine rule wosi, whether stoner, rossi, hailwood or thor the god of thunder was riding/developing it. This doesn't preclude the 2009 iteration being better than the trellis frame predecessor, which by all accounts wouldn't have required particular excellence.

If no short-term adjustment within a race weekend was possible for the cf thing then this should have been perceived as a problem from the get-go, and it is not unreasonable to speculate that ducati were  preoccupied by technological aesthetics/elegance in preference  to results. Hard to see what stoner could have done different though, if he had concluded that a 5 year programme of development of an aluminium space frame chassis was necessary I somehow doubt ducati, and more particularly marlboro, would have listened. 



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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Oh really?

The Cf bike became a non-goer as soon as they brought in the restricted engine rule..

Please give the benefit of your reasoning why..in PLAIN English?

Are you really saying Ducati weren't bothered about results..only making a good looking bike?

That this is the reason Stoners results went backwards with more crashes, leaving him completely blameless as clear #1 and the guy who the factory looked to for development direction?

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dacron

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dacron says:

black rubber stuff

ducaties problems all started in 2008 when bridgestone shifted development over to vales yard ,in 07 casey was able to exploit the dukes power delivery using the tyres to ride around the bikes other short comings such as under steer , bridgestone made a front tyre that gave a bit of feel to the front end , once the development left so did the extra care on the tyres that the bike so needs. its common knowledge that carmello was instrumental in getting vale out of the mitchelin deal and getting him the bridgstones he screamed for , whether bridgestone concentrated more on vales bike than casey's or whether they deliberately neglected to supply what the ducati needed is anyones guess , after all bridgstone alone knew exactly what the duke and casey needed to leave everyone in his dust , something carmello as a business man couldn't afford to let go on because vale brang in the cash. it came back to haunt them though once vale went to ducati , the damage was done and with casey gone no one could ride it , this bringss us back to the mid season front tyre change last year when the front tyre they were already using was doing fine for everyone , there was no need for it , only ducati was out of front end feel and it was vales biggest complaint.

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bartman1988

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bartman1988 says:

makes me laugh people saying rossi running away.it is the first time he has jumped ship onto a better bike.honda to yam was a risk that he made and it worked.yam to ducati was a risk and it didnt work so now in the closing stages of his career hes decided to move to a better team he gets criticised for it off narrowminded fucks on here.hes going toe to toe against the world champ on the same machinery.i say give the guy a break and wish him luck

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bartman1988

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bartman1988 says:

and people still going on about rossi failing to develop the ducati.ALL A RIDER CAN DO IS TELL THE MANUFACTURER WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE BIKE THE RIDER DOESNT DESIGN MANUFACTURE AND FIT IT!!!! if ducati couldnt translate what they are told is wrong by every single rider whos ridden it (understeer problem primarily)into a fix then that is a problem with ducati no1 elses.honda and yam quite easily translated suggestions into fixes so why couldnt ducati?cus there heads are so far up there own arses basking in the glory of there superbikes to have any rider tell them there bike isnt good enough

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eddl

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eddl says:

HERE'S A THOUGHT

maybe honda and yamaha upped there game after having there arses handed to them in 2007 and ducati's been playing catch up ever since

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saturn392

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saturn392 says:

Here's another thought

Maybe the Ducati in it's current guise has reached the limit of it's potential development.

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Mort77

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Mort77 says:

Howdy Dacron

Good to see you here mate. Stoner said that he told Ducati what was wrong with the bike and Ducati didn't listen to him. They sent Marco to a shrink. Loris couldn't ride the bike. Nicky has been the longest serving rider, Stoner aside, and they haven't listened to him. So it's no surprise that Ducati can't take criticism. I hope that they learn from their mistakes and start listening to their riders and go in a direction that helps them get to a place where they can fight for wins and the Championship.

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