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Rossi: 'Ducati can't deal with criticism'

Valentino Rossi has revealed more about his fractious relationship with Ducati in MCN's exclusive new interview (out on Wednesday). The 34-year-old's comments throw new light on the team's inability to make progress back up the grid – a problem he says stems from their inability to trust its riders when they point out a problem with the bike. He says in the...

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dacron

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dacron says:

gday Mort77

in 07/08 tyres were constructed around the bikes , in other words the bikes relied on bridgestone to make tyres that worked specifically on each bike , it was clear in 08 the ducati of stoner was not responding the same as it was in 07 and it was the beginning of front end losses that would plague the rest of his ducati years . in 09/10 bikes were built around the tyres , in other words bridgestone made a tyre of there own choosing and sent the factories away to build a bike that will work with them , this is where i believe ducati began there own downfall or simply bad luck because they were deep into building the new carbon fiber concept using tyres built to suit it , it was 2 years into development so it was developed with tyres made just for it , once the tyres could no longer be made for it the bike was lost , it was also finished , and this was what casey and hayden had to ride at the start of the 09 season , ducati never really got the chance to correct the bike and tyre combo because they ditched the whole concept for vale and now they are starting again with alloy , chances are if they stay with alloy in time they will get it right.

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

engine rule wosi

because they had to change the engines (which were sealed) to change the frame, the engines being integral to the frame, along with the difficulties of changing a carbon fibre frame in the first place. They may well not have had the wherewithal to produce a new frame of whatever material midseason a la honda in the first place admittedly.

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RawDawg

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RawDawg says:

um, you don't say?

We've been knowing this for at least fucking 5 years so who gives a shit now?

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Bob Buttamasangy

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Back to the story, Haydens comments are contradicting Flo's and anyone with a fuckin' tin eye could see the abomination the italian convinced Ducati they needed to build for him, the frames, the swingarms etc etc etc.

Rossi embarrassed himself and now expects to push all of the blame onto the manufacturer for making him look like a dork. The facts and the chain of events are so clear, I don't know how anyone could take the bloke seriously anymore. Despite his clownish exterior, this tool is the biggest brat to ever grace the sport and it's quite possible he's in for another year of payback despite DORNA's lifeline.

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Sheene Fan7

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Sheene Fan7 says:

sorry bob but what does hayden know, he's been on the bike 5 years and done jack, so what does he know about the problems, i'd say nothing.

ducati use him to sell bikes in the USA nothing more

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Bob Buttamasangy

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Listen dickhead, the point is nothing to do with Haydens performance on ANY bike, he was referring in an interview to how quickly and willingly ducati responded to Flo's requests. If you are too fucking thick to understand a simple message referring directly to the story topic, then continue on with you ignorance and your blind panic to defend any criticism levelled at the bloke who destroyed the only other manufacturer to come close to challenging the japs.

Like all Flo fans you don't listen, you don't read and you think 'comprehension' is the adjustment at the bottom of your forks.

Cheers.

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princeofrepsol

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LOL Bob

"Like all Flo fans you don't listen, you don't read and you think 'comprehension' is the adjustment at the bottom of your forks."

Yeah they are farkin dumb thats for sure.

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

The blame game..

Ducati did try hard to accomodate Rossi..in 2011. It stopped there.

2012, the bike was late for it's own launch and when it arrived at Sepang1 last year..there was only a bike each for the facory riders.

That chassis remained the backbone of the GP12 for two-thirds of a season until Misano.

For a Manufacturer who knows their machine has understeer and front end issues and don't use the tyres effectively, given that they point blank refused to change the engine, that is a piss poor effort and is not responding willingly to rider requests.

Burgess said they needed new crankases to repackage the gearbox. The output shaft position must stay in the same plane as the swingarm pivot and rear axle..all three centre points must be in a line. They ran out of adjustment trying to move the COG where it was needed - remember Rossi's chopper bike - but never got the new cases.

The engine is the problem..not the chassis.

All the simple orange twats jumping up & down squealing that HRC run a 90deg V4 and that this is proof there is nothing wrong with the Ducati motor..really haven't got a fkin clue.

Ducati's V4 is heavier, because it is still the same lump that WAS the frame and needed to support suspension front and rear. The lump was required to be MUCH stronger and beefier than an engine with a proper frame supporting IT.

It is physically bigger than the Honda's.

It has a lot of extra weight at the cylinder head because of Ducati's insistence on using Demodromic valve actuation, rather than pneumatic, which makes centralising weight for effective distribution difficult.

It's a completely different motor and as Saturn says, the only thing it apparently has in common with the RCV is the cylinder angle
 

Hayden said recently...“It is true that we haven’t solved the front feeling and turning but a lot stuff is better and Valentino got a lot of stuff he wanted. There’s definitely been some improvements for me personally from two years ago. But it is clear it is not enough.”


Both factory riders were calling for radical change a month ago. 

As long as Ducati keep that old engine, which was designed for a completely different bike years ago, they'll continue to suck.

Preziosi is an engine designer. This motor was HIS particular baby. He refused to accept he'd got it wrong and his failure to deal with his ego cost him his job. 

 

 

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ow01fogno1

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ow01fogno1 says:

comparing the two stoner vs rossi

steve parrish once said "casey just got on the thing and grabbed the bull by the horns" not the best approach imo but at that time thats what made the ducati work and go faster tan anything on most race days in 2007 and many after that, rossi had every which way at his hands and i have never in my history of watching racing heard of so many changes to a race bike in such a short period of time, rossi may have a point about the way the take the bad news but if you where in their shoes you would'nt be happy either, this article purely makes rossi look like a class act moaner and book of excuses which imo he will need to make a name for excuses when he has his ass handed to him again this year as the last 2. respect to his record and what he does for the sport but this give him no right to make excuses we know are bullsh@t

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

agree with some of these points wosi

Trying to make their old design work the same as a honda or yamaha which seemed to be their object in 2010 and 2011 was unlikely ever to work.

Building a new aluminium space frame chassis competitive with yamaha and honda whilst simultaneously totally re-designing their engine would possibly have been a rather tall order as well; not valentino's fault, he went to the wrong place at the wrong time, both in general and in terms of the time left in his career.  

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