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cheekymonkey

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cheekymonkey says:

Unbebloodylievable!!!

The government has decided that we should all pay a bit towards giving benefits to go towards child care for couples who both work. Now whether or not you agree with that is one thing. 

But there was a woman on the radio today who said because she chose to stay at home and bring up her children, while her husband worked, she felt victimised and we should pay her a bit extra as well!!

I tell you what. Hows about paying for your own daft kids. AND. Hows about hearing a bit of gratitude to the tax payer from benefit recipients, along the lines of..."Well, I know everyones feeling the pinch, but I don`t know what I`d do without all these handouts. I`m ever so grateful to all the British taxpayers for helping me out. Because I`m so bleeding feckless that without them I`d be in the gutter".
Nah, you`d never hear that. Just whingeing that the benefits are being squeezed or not rising fast enough etc etc. 
Getting sick of hearing how low benefits are. Show a little gratitude for what you HAVE got. 
Most people don`t mind paying their taxes and helping folks out who are in hard times, but nobody is ever grateful. Just complaining all the time. 
That daft lass on telly the other night with 3 kids, saying £500 a week was not enough and she was demanding more off us. She had enough for the false eyelashes, makeup and numerous tattoos though.
I`d like to hear just one person say, "well, its not easy, but I`m grateful for the help I do get. God bless this wonderful country and the people in it"

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ninjachica

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ninjachica says:

Simples

For those that have genuinely fallen onto hard times, give them food and clothing vouchers for the first 3 months, but zero cash.

That would soon sort out the lazy scroungers.

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norris

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norris says:

Heard of ATOS

A lot of the media frenzy in attacking benefit claimants is a smokescreen.
Most benefits are paid out to people working, not the single mother with 5 kids living in a million pound house that the media love to show.
Notice there's very little frenzy in the media about the billions owed in tax evasion/avoidance,
Don't forget Cameron multi millionaire tax avoider claimed DLA benefit or multi millionaire tax avoider Osbourne claimed child benefit.
The wealthiest in society are seeing a boom in their wealth but pay no tax on it. Easy for the powers that be to divert attention and blame our troubles on the poorest.
Benefit 

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vulcanrider

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vulcanrider says:

Walk a mile

in another mans shoes before you criticise him. Remember your hobby is riding motorcycles, you don't HAVE to you do it by choice, a hobby. Ask my brother what he would rather be doing now after his bike crash that's incapacitated him so severely he can't work, he'd much rather be back in Devonport Dockyard working on nuclear subs but a titanium ankle that doesn't articulate is a bit of a hindrance.

Another section of British society demonised by Cameron while he and his Bullingdon club cronies are scratching each others backs distracting the general publics attention from their mutual shenanigans. Not all benefit claimants are feckless lazy gits, a bit like not all bikers are ripping it up at 100 mph plus like the ones that hit the headlines and  are highlighted by the press, a minority giving the majority a poor reputation.

One bad crash on your bike on a track day or a public road and you could end up a benefits claimant, maybe it should be brought in that if you're injured in a motorcycle accident that's proved to be your fault you should be prohibited from claiming benefits if your injuries are severe enough to prevent you returning to work ??

 

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ninjachica

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ninjachica says:

Claimants

There is a huge difference between those who have to claim benefits and those who don't want to work. I think it's fair to say that everyone on here would support the former, but begrudge the latter.

Whilst it is perfectly true, that there are other huge fiddles going one elsewhere, the problem with the individual scroungers, is that they are on a much more personal level.  You either know one, or live near one, or meet them in the pub.  They are the one's that upset the workers, as they sit on their lazy backsides, with their cocky attitudes.

Yes, I do think the system needs an overhaul.  It can't ever be right, that you are better off on the dole - can it? 

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vulcanrider

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vulcanrider says:

The family we lived opposite to

in Cornwall are the ones that need to be sorted, 2 council houses banged together for 14 of them. All on benefits mobility cars every 3 years, no bog standard Ford Escort a big FO Citroen people carrier. These feckers know the system inside out they're the ones that come to the fore not the ones quietly trying to get on with their handicaps on minimal benefits. Nina's severely disabled son was at home with us till he was 28, she was on benefits (seriously cut when I came on the scene with an RAF salary) she got less than £700 PM, Craig's care is currently costing over £900 per week in his care home so Nina saved successive governments a lot of money by being on benefits to care for him at home till she couldn't cope any more.

My brother's disability, he'd be better off financially on benefits if his foot was amputated, he can't claim mobility because he can walk albeit with a stick and severe pain, he's on strong painkillers daily for the ankle and anti fitting drugs as the bang to his head in his crash left him epileptic. One day out costs him 3 days housebound with pain. The NHS refuse to amputate his foot, the drugs he takes will have a detrimental effect on his health he's not likely to make old bones. 

It's easy to make sweeping generalisations about benefits and benefit claimants, for sure the 'professional claimants' need sorting but like Norris's link shows mistakes by ATOS are happening Cameron and Co won't highlight that but they will highlight the benefits shysters and again it demonises all, they're very good at divide and conquer the masses.

Edit:

cheekymonkey --- I read your original post again. I'll say on behalf of my Mrs a big THANK YOU to the British taxpayer for the benefits she received during the years she coped at home with Craig shitting his pants, pissing his pants, having to be at home by 16:00 every day for him coming home from his day centre, the one weekend a month we had respite care (Paid for from the allowances she had) and the almost breakdown of our marriage prior to him going to live in a care home, the near breakdowns she had and finally (the decision maker for us) the day I had to physically stop her beating the crap out of him for shitting his shorts in a public place. THANK YOU THANK YOU ALL. FFS you have not got a clue.

 

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ally600

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ally600 says:

five hundred quid a week with three kids

feck i got three kids and a wife and have to burst my balls for the same kind of money........off this money i pay a huge mortgage, full council tax etc etc................. next time my boss starts his bullshit  it might be more than a passing thought to tell him to shove it up his arse......................and i wont be much worse off....................it does make you think who is the idiot doesnt it:wink:

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vulcanrider

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vulcanrider says:

Pride

and how you were brought up Ally that's what it is. The bunch we lived opposite were the archetypical benefits scrounger family, it was handed down father to son mother to daughter, they sneered at me for working but, they're still there I'm living in Spain having had many lovely holidays abroad in between while they with all the benefits they had spent it on the piss and two sons became coke addicts --- there's the difference. Trouble is THEY are the highlighted benefits recipients, the ones noticed not the ones like my Mrs who cracked on with caring for a severely mentally and physically handicapped son, it's bloody hard to see your wife struggling to cope, worrying what will become of her son when we are gone, for all we're having a nice life here now it's still in the back of her mind. The unseen ones coping are increasingly being scrutinised, my brother has been sent for 2 assessments in 6 months with ATOS, ffs do they think the epilepsy with disappear and he'll grow a new foot ?

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ally600

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ally600 says:

your right vulc

the only way i will stop working is when i win the lottery, retire or become ill and cant do it any more.............what ever comes first:wink:.........................as for benefits................it is always going to be a double edged sword...................there are those in need and could use more financial help and support and those who's only purpose in life is to find a way round cheating the system and getting every benefit thats going.....................like you say walk a mile in their shoes and then you can make an informed decision................................its gonna be one hell of a walk to get round them all though:lol:  

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vulcanrider

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vulcanrider says:

Double edged sword Ally

you're damn right it is, I had a little outburst earlier because it grips my tripes to see the underhand policy of politicians working and dividing people, it's a deliberate ploy by them and the media they favour in order to push through their blanket policy on benefits and minimise public outcry at what they do.

I got my state pension last July and because of a so called 'opting out' clause in my RAF pension I get about £30 less a month on my state pension than someone who hasn't been in the forces. I didn't opt out of anything ! oh well so be it then they got away with that one. :wacko:

PS: good luck with the lottery but the Euro millions is mine next week OK :laugh:

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norris

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norris says:

ATOS

Don't make mistakes. They are a French profit driven company that has made massive profits passing people fit for work who aren't.
Cameron has had numerous cosy dinners with the billionaire Barclay twins in their new castle just offshore so don't pay tax along with their numerous multi million properties. Strange how a certain Mrs Thatcher has been recovering from her hospitial visit in the Ritz Hotel in London, which doesn't pay6 any tax and just happens to be owned by the cough cough Barclay twins.
Can y6ou blame some poor people fiddling benefits when they see the wealthist in society screwing us all. The good old British Establishments deivide and rule.

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