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Matthew Birt  says:

Andrea Dovizioso can lead Ducati revival in 2013

Andrea Dovizioso has the experience and talent to revive Ducati’s flagging fortunes in the MotoGP world championship. That’s the belief of the Italian’s former Monster Yamaha Tech 3 boss Herve Poncharal, who watched the former 125GP world champion become the most successful rider in the French team’s history in 2012. Dovizioso scored six podiums last season but unable to secure the factory...

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moto4

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moto4 says:

preziosi etc...

Dont buy the fact that Preziosi was all to blame. Much more likely to be as FR suggests and that Ducati hasn't the best operations for development. Afterall Preziosi VERY publically asked for help from Furusawa- that is not the actions of a stubborn man refusing to beleive anyone else. As I said, much more likely to be Ducati's way of working coupled with desperation of trying to get Rossi to the front (and particularly later in his two year stint Vale's unwillingness to ride hard- he barely moved on the bike sometimes)... I keep reading folk (usually Stoner detractors) suggesting that Casey's machine and Rossi's cant be compared due to the competition moving on but even initially- that first 2010 post season test when Vale was 17th, Casey had been very competitive for his last few races- the field had not moved on then so cant blame that.

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Bootlegger

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Bootlegger says:

Nevermind Preziosi

Without him GP fans would never have had a Ducati prototype to bitch about. Come to think of it,without Ducati,Stoner would also have never been at the sharp end to bitch about. For sure he would have been stranded on a sat Honda or worse yet,a Kawasaki or Suzuki and never risen higher than a bunch of podiums and a win or 3 in his career.

Back to Dovi. The great thing about Ducati this season is actually the basic rider line up. A solid military medium bunch to provide input. Crazy Joe aside,Ben,Dovi and Nick have a total of 5 wins over the years between them. Hopefully Ducati will get closer and if it comes to pass, cold logic will suggest  Ducati has turned the wick up rather than the bike being flattered by the rider. Back in the Capirossi 990 years this was the case and the bike ended its incarnation as a definite title contender. For the sake of the spectacle I hope they are threatening the top spots by mid season. To that end,Dovi is the 'go to' rider at the moment. Nick has always been in the shadow of illustrious team mates. Ben has endured 2 years of it. Dovi,pretty much the same. In spite of his Honda loyalty over the years, Repsol were always going lend a fatter ear to Dani than to him. Then came Casey. No more room at the inn.

For Dovi this season may well be DeJavu 250cc. Again on a lesser bike hounding riders on superior kit for the top step to no avail. Seems to be the story of his racing career. The eternal bridesmaid. Just maybe he relishes his current position and will capitalize on it. They all bemoan the Ducati's temperemental front end and if anyone has the natural feel for hard front end riding its Dovi. Ben and young Iannone also to an extent.

Watch this space next weekend. Back at Borgo Panigale, the word is that they will essentially be running last years bikes for the first two races at least. mmm....sounds familiar. First have to wipe out the huge deficit accumulated by the race department over the past 2 seasons before Audi will sanction expenditure on further development.

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Nostrodamus

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Nostrodamus says:

Daydream believers

And still the likes of Hardlylean, Saturn & CCB live under the delusion that quite contrary to his terms of employment (not to mention his personal pride and desire for the project to succeed) Preziosi was somehow actively undermining the whole shebang.


 Yes Corse spent the amount of money they did on hiring Nr.2 as well as record development spending just to ignore him!? Your argument is so farcical as to not even rate as one. Snivelling I'd call it. 

 It is highly doubtful Corse wanted to continue with Nr.2 this year. The decision to offer him a contract extension would've come from the out of touch man that brought him to Ducati in the first place - marketing man / CEO del Torchio. 

Preziosi 'mistake' appears to have been a degree of control loss within Corse in its measured approach to development. But then this could simply have been del Torchio telling him to give the spoilt brat whatever he wants. Again we're back to Herve's wise words.

 Bootlegger. I normally don't take issue with your comments, but in terms of winning and performing on the international stage the Manic Joe is the least impressive rider on Corse's books. As for your comments on Stoner. Far from true. There most certainly was factory interest outside of Ducati for the young man. You cannot over emphasise just how much he was hampered in his 2006 debut year by third rate Michelins and yet still shone on a standard RCV. True talent with driven ambition always wins out one way or the other in the end.

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ChupaChump

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ChupaChump says:

Budgetary constraints...

Ducati is a small operation compared to Honda and Yamaha who can buy their way out of trouble. The promised updates never materialised last year and it's hard to think they will this year either. The Austin test is a classic example of an apparent lack of funds._________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Filipo probably had some decent ideas on the drawing board but, without $$$, that's where they stayed. Good luck to the guys - it will take a miracle for them to get anywhere near the Japanese machinery.

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ratchetman

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ratchetman says:

Pressure

I dont think Herv was right when he said perhaps Rossi put to much pressure on Ducati. Rossi wa dead right to put a lot of pressure on them even though it didnt work out. The biggest trouble with Ducati has got to be lack of finance and nothing seems to have changed. Dovi is a good rider but if your on an infearior bike you have no chance. Dovi went to Ducati for the pay cheque and if it doesnt work out then he still has enough talent to secure a good ride maybe the Panigali in WSB . Just a shame Rossi never decided to go WSB because it would have suited his race craft and style. If I was Ducati I would give up on MOTOGP and put all the effort into WSB 

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

Ratchet

You have no idea whether Dovi "went for the paycheck" or not. No-one on here knows the bloke, that's just forum bullshit.

He wanted the factory M1 ride. He wasn't going to get it. If he stayed with Tech3 he was going to win nothing on a satellite bike against the current riders on the factory bikes. As good a rider as he is, I'm not convinced he would have won anything anyway on the factory M1, given the years he had at Honda and couldn't beat the same riders then as he has to now, plus one more in the shape of Marquez.

However, he obviously believes he can win, given the right bike and right circumstances. So maybe he thought the only chance of those circumstances happening was to try and make them happen. Go to Ducati as lead rider and try and help them turn the bike around into something that can consistently challenge for race wins. This year is the building process, next year make it happen, seems to be their approach and it seems a sensible one. No-one at Ducati has said there will be an immediate turnaround and they'll be winning within 3 races.

The problem with Rossi and Ducati was the PR that surrounded his arrival and the claims that the bike was good but the departing rider was lazy in his approach and he and his crew didn't have the ability to set the bike up properly. Burgess even dismissed the question about the front end problem when asked an blamed Stoner for riding too hard too soon - "do they have a front end probklem - you lose the front becasue you've pushed too hard - with VR on the bike we can set it up ao it has more feel"

So yes, in that first test when he must have thought 'oh fck' there was immediate pressure as he couldn't ride the bike as it was and he wanted it changed. You saw the changes unfold. The longer it went on, the more the pressure built up and spilled out into public spats, especially after Qatar last year.

Herve has a valid point.

This year the spotlight will be on Yamaha. There will be far less of a media frenzy surrounding Ducati this year, the main focus will be from the more extreme Rossi fans who will be willing them to fail to vindicate their man. The main media spotlight will be over at Yamaha.

You never know, Ducati may just quietly turn it around.

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Politics and blame..

All Ducati ever gave Rossi was a new beam frame..Stoner had a completely new bike built out of CF, a new big bang engine, swinging arms of various stiffness and material, redesigned exhaust systems and bodywork, upgraded electronics etc. etc.

I wonder how much that little lot cost compared to a frame?

As for the mountains of parts made for Rossi, that were untested..what fkin parts?

I notice Ducati haven't been specific..nobody has.

This year, they brought a revised weight distribution set up which was rolled out last year at the Mugello test..broke, and never saw the light again until Sepang 2.

Rossi rode the same frame from round 1 until round 13 in 2012. They never saw the new engine that was promised..so how come there is a massive stockpile of parts that need working through?

It's all spin from Corse to shift the blame.

Rossi has proved he's still fast..let's see whether Ducati can counter that by sticking all their bikes inside the top 10 at the first few races, with Dovizioso/Hayden in front of satellite prototypes rather than Corse machinery struggling to fend off CRT.

 

PS: Bulto..you've written what Burgess said as quotes..link please? Not that you'd ever make shit up. 

 

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DogBert

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DogBert says:

Vindication

the main focus will be from the more extreme Rossi fans who will be willing them to fail to vindicate their man.

He's already been vindicated. The aluminium frame is being worked on to aid feel & turn in (copying the Honda approach by all accounts), the fuel tank and electronics have been repositioned to aid weight distribution, and rider position, and the engine is being redesigned to make it less of a switch, and more controllable. Everything Rossi, and many others, have said was wrong with the bike.

Why they couldn't have had a development bike before now is anyone's guess. If Ducati lost the plot with their development programme, that's hardly the riders fault.

As for wanting them to fail, I doubt there are many fans of motogp and Rossi who want Ducati to fail, or wanted little Casey to stomp off in a huff. As a fan of racing the more at the front the better, and we all know even if the Ducati was sorted how Rossi would fair in a dice with the current Ducati riders.

Oh but I forgot, he’s past it, no wait he’s a mid packer, no hang on he’ll get a few podiums through attrition, ha ha he’s last at the COTA test, no the Jerez test doesn’t count, and so on.

 

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JustBe

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JustBe says:

hmm

I've seen no evidence over the years that suggests Dovi is a top tier rider, if Ducati get any better it's only because rossi leaving and Audi buying them has caused major shifts in the company. Hayden is useless so it isn't much to ask for dovi to beat him, I mean I don't get why Hayden doesn't retire, he's clearly happy just lapping around in a crap team.

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winger

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winger says:

I've absolutely no doubt Dovi will sort the bike he may not be world champion material but take nothing away from him he's still very good,the question is how long he and Ducati will take to do it,and by the end of this year the musical chairs could be beyond anything we have ever seen before.

Ducati's big mistake was not taking both Dovi and Cal,they spark each other off and theyed have moved the job on no end,the reason they have keep't Hayden is very simple he's a PR mans dream,most racers hate it with a passion he'll do anything and sells lots of Duc's in the US.

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