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Matthew Birt  says:

Ducati MotoGP effort boosted by new CEO appointment

Nicky Hayden and Ducati MotoGP boss Paolo Ciabatti believe Claudio Domenicali’s recent appointment as CEO of the Bologna factory can only be a major plus for its MotoGP and WSB projects. Domenicali took charge of Ducati after the sudden and shock departure of Gabriele del Torchio, who left to head up Italy’s national airline Alitalia. Domenicali is renowned for his love of...

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Nostrodamus

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Nostrodamus says:

The problem last year Thomas

Wasn't the new rubber introduced for the litre machines and tested upon pre-season. These new quicker to warm up hoops were universally praised for this trait.

The problem was the decision to introduce another spec of front tyre (the type 31 & / or 33) after the season was what - three races old? This was the failed Rossi spec rubber - which if you'll recall he got for a private test prior to anybody else, made from a mold of Ezpeleta's ring piece.

With bikes now built around tyres this was a bit of a dirty trick. You can be as sure as eggs if the Yamaha's didn't agree with either of the spec's they'd be bleating too.

The other bit that perplexes me is, and as the Reverend initially alluded to, is just why weren't both new specs of front made available? Yamaha have their spec and are happy, Honda have their spec and are happy, and no spec was ever going to make Rossi fast on the Ducati. Dorna have tied themselves up in a reg's tangle of their own making.

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CH987

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CH987 says:

 They can't win a title without dispensation.

or should Bridgestone be expected to bulid manufacturer specific tyres to keep some riders and factories happy?

Same tyres for everyone. Can't say fairer than that.

I agree totally. No more overnight specials thats for certain.

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Dirty tricks..

Honda have been making the rules up in MotoGP for years. These rules forced other manufacturers to quit so Honda had less competition.

This privelege was taken away from HRC at the end of 2011 when they bare-faced lied about an MSMA meeting vote to increase the minimum weight - a proposal made to help CRT close the gap and be more competitive.

Honda regards GP as it's own platform to showcase technology, is not interested in fair/entertaining racing and was unhappy about not getting it's way, so told a bunch of lies and rigged voting results to make it appear others had not agreed to the weight increase - a unanimous NO - when in fact they had agreed.

In what other world championship sport is one competitor allowed to make the rules up for their own  advantage? It's like Germany being in charge of international football and giving themselves dispensation to play with 12 players while everyone else is allowed just 11.

Honda cheated..and they lied.

It's like their seamless gearbox. They have a patent on design so nobody else can use the technology..great innit?

The new tyres were the first taste they had of others in GP having a say democratically..against their normal philosophy of rigging the rules to benefit themselves..and they spat the dummy big time. Haha.

Nostro loves Honda..his first bikes were Hondas. He travelled all over the sub continent during a "walkabout" on a Honda, and his favourite riders are Honda riders. He is the epitomy of an Orange Fanboy AND as we know..he hates Valentino Rossi because he stuck two fingers up to Honda.

Do you honestly think Rossi had a private test to try the tyres he speaks of, and without his personal blessing they wouldn't have been introduced? Where is the evidence for this blatent Fanboy conspiracy story?

Exactly..there isn't any, except inside the tiny mind of THE most bias commentator here at MCN. 

The likes of CH987 are his fangirl lieutenants..and perpetuate the bitter trolling myth that Rossi is shit, and would have won nothing if the rules were fair.

Irony indeed.

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

..and it's shite innit?

Why do you think Yamaha hasn't bought one?

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Ducati had lock ups and missed gears.

It's no faster than Yamaha's conventional transmission, which is an improvement for Ducati granted, but it's not in the same league as HRC's super special box.

Doesn't X-Trac do a lot of work with Honda?

Let the plebs have have a little slice of tech while keeping the cutting edge, racebike specific stuff all to themselves.

Like tyres..let them all have it, or no-one at all is my view.

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CH987

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CH987 says:

Honda have been making the rules up in MotoGP for years

Which is why Honda have won 2 titles in the last 9 years. Total domination. Motogp is the pinnacle of 2 wheeled racing. The F1 of bike racing. It is not about fair and entertaining competition. It is about building the best bike and winning by as big a margin as possible.

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Aah..

..but is it in the same division? They're work is car based not motorcycle.

HRC have the patent on a mechanical shifting system..no hydraulics are allowed in GP. This system is MotoGP specific and light years ahead of any other two-wheeled race stuff.

Do you hear of the RCV having lock ups? You're saying lock-ups are run-of-the mill as if it makes everything equal?

A third of a second is worth having..you said it yourself last week. Or are we being contrary again because you're discussing something with wosi?

 

From your link:

By adopting the basic “Racecar” gearbox layout and applying it to a Motorcycle cluster, Xtrac are able to offer a gearbox which is simple to work on and offers the ultimate in tuning of ratio selection.

Nothing special there.

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

I am making an informed judgement..despite the fact I'm not privvy to the exact detail.

Who is? Not Benny that is for sure.

You've posted a link showing conventional transmission technology..that's not what I'm talking about.

It's no different to any other top-end supplier like Ohlins or Brembo?

What about this third of a second you said was worth having? How do you think that happens?

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

as I have said Wosi

26 of the last 30 world championships have been won by factory Yamaha riders, or Honda riders other than Stoner. Why aren't you looking for bike and/or tyre advantages to devalue those championships?

You guys have reaped what you have sown in any case. I recall little or no detraction from Valentino before Hayden and Stoner were basically vilified for winning championships against him, not that this makes the detraction from him correct of course.

 

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Oh dear, how sad..never mind.

The figures you ask for as proof probably don't exist.

It doesn't take Einstein to work out who has the slickest gearbox in GP Pal.

Do you have any mechanical understanding at all?.. or is it all about posting links that don't support an argument you think you comprehend?

Pay attention.

 

Doohanfan..you're in danger of ousting Hedgehog5 as the dullest mofker on this site.

Shut up for chrissake man.. 

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