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Steve Farrell  says:

What happened to the ES1?

Six years ago, this British design was going to be the future of superbikes. So where is it? The trouble with bold claims is they can come back to haunt you. If you say you’re making the fastest, lightest and best-ever handling motorcycle, for example, people might be forgiven for asking, six years later (five after an auspicious London show...

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DoomedDog

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DoomedDog says:

Such a shame

this never reached production. Fresh thinking and new ideas are needed in sportsbike design and this had it. Though I was never keen on the x2 final chain drive - seemed archaic on this bike and considering the effort gone into overcoming typical bike design and their shortcomings appeared out of place.

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RRman

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RRman says:

hmm

I do find difficult to believe that in the world of supper rich/ well paid designers/ executives....all that bullocks for passion and nobody is willing to rise pathetic £1 million pound even if it would be £5 million...I find it difficult to believe… Either design/ concept is crap or it is just bullshit.

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Jconway651

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Jconway651 says:

RRman Coming from the aerospace industry i can tell you that the world isnt full of super rich/well paid designers and engineers. Given he ran out of time for the project id hardly call bullshit, end of the day he likely had a mortgage and bills to pay.

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gsxr1969

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gsxr1969 says:

Interesting. Nice to see a bit of journalism from MCN rather than regurgitated press releases. Thanks.

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James600zx

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James600zx says:

What happens when a Formula 1 car guy designs a motorcycle.

The comparison with the Yamaha GTS1000 is interesting in that the GTS was heavy, expensive and not significantly better than the competition (-although I've always thought it was quite cool). The lesson is that it's not enough to bring a "design revolution" unless it fills a gap, otherwise it's just style over substance.

All we know about the ES1's likely performance is that the mock-up had excellent straight-line aerodynamics. Plonk a man on the seat and it'll probably be ruined, and cornering or riding in a breeze with that disc rear wheel would be interesting. It's not clear how the engine will get enough cooling and the predicted light weight means expensive materials and a premium price. The mention of compact design is likely to mean servicing becomes difficult. Lastly, having two chain drives increases transmission power losses, and the first chain is out of reach.

The Ducati Desmocedici and the Suzuki Hayabusa were designed with strong real-world aerodynamic considerations. (Lambourghini had a go too!) The bike manufacturers they approached weren't being conservative, they'd assessed the practicalities of development and the likelihood of commercial success.

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winger

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winger says:

Nothing more than a figment of the imagination an Airfix kit at best,about as much chance of production as winning the lottery 10 weeks on the trot and I've seen it a dam sight closer than most.

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Rogerborg

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Rogerborg says:

Great, article, thanks

The bike looks interesting, but would be a race trinket only. You couldn't apply that design to road bikes, unless you fancied paying for a specialist to disassemble and rebuild it at every service.

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HkUk

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HkUk says:

Didn't the industry secretly agree a 186mph / 300kmh limit for production bikes, with only MV blatantly breaking this ?

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Piglet2010

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Piglet2010 says:

Frame-less Motorcycle

We have all seen how well a frame-less motorcycle does not work in MotoGP - if the 2014 Audi-Ducati MotoGP entry has a frame, it will be a pretty clear indication that frame-less is a dead end.

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azicat

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azicat says:

This story only increases my amazement with John Britten's achievements and genius. How did he, just one man and a couple of good friends, manage to achieve so much when a team with stratospheric F1 connections hit a brick wall in development?

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