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Matthew Birt  says:

Cal Crutchlow praises ‘unbelievable’ Jorge Lorenzo

Cal Crutchlow hailed Jorge Lorenzo’s Catalunya MotoGP victory as one of the best of the Spaniard’s premier class career after the Monster Yamaha Tech 3 rider’s challenge was ended by an early crash. Lorenzo led home red-hot pre-race favourite Dani Pedrosa by 1.763s to cut the Repsol Honda rider’s world championship lead to just seven points with a third of the...

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Nostrodamus

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Nostrodamus says:

Pure unadulterated Wosi snivelling.

Lorenzo is merely a fast version of Rossi. Both have neat and compact 250 derived high corner speed styles, both honed during their years of riding the fine handling M1. As predicted from the moment he re-signed for Yamaha the world nr.6 is whinging and blaming set-up and tyres for his own inadequacies under the onslaught of speed from the three Amigos and Cal.

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Parkway70

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Parkway70 says:

Pacey...

We can't even bail out ourselves let alone any-one else in Europe...amazing effect those Daily Express headlines on the masses...

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Parkway70

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Parkway70 says:

Nostro

I would give the Guy a little more time to get the bike completely to his liking(slow-mo footage from Montmelo shows he's still got speed and ability in abundance)...maybe he could fly you in (world no 602.6750) to have a one to one diagnosis/pep talk and you could sent him in the right direction with his set-up issues..you busy?

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Yeah..and take Bulto in his armchair too.

Although I'm not sure he'd be able to help much, bless him, as he seems to have limited understanding on the difference SWB & LWB have on the effects of motorcycle handling, pretty basic stuff after all.

Perhaps he could make the tea and wear the cosy like a beanie for entertainment value?

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

Bless you too Wosi

But I'm fine with the characteristics of different wheelbases.

What I'm interested in is your theory on how the Yamaha is still considered a better handling bike than the Honda when it is both longer and shorter and why you think now that it is longer it suits Lorenzo more than Rossi. It still corners on rails which was always Rossi's style.

Maybe he just isn't as quick as Lorenzo or Cal at the moment. He also has the same fuel tank as Lorenzo. It's the Tech3 bike that has the old one

Or maybe he can't coipe with the crap squidgy front tyre that they are all complaining about now and how unstable it is.

Remember, the same one that Stoner didn't like last year but was labelled a whining excuse maker. The one that he said they'll all complain about eventually. Imagine that, he was right.

Rossi needs to adapt again but we know that's not his strong point. The bike needs to be just so.

Cal is adapting and at this moment is faster.

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

Hugs...

"Out of 4 dry races this year, Rossi has finished ahead of Cal in 3 of them, he is on his 6th race on the bike, starting each weekend with zero data."


Out of 6 races they've both DNFed once, ie they've only finished 4 races together... who's in the lead?... & if Rossi's starting with zero data after all the years of experience both he & Yamaha have then he really isn't worth the money he's being paid... how many races has Dovi done on a Ducati? How many championships has he won?... & how many points is he behind Rossi?

"I believe Rossi would have beat Cal at mugello as he had better pace"

Unfortunately he's a shit qualifier... it matters as he's found out on more than 1 occasion (almost again this weekend).

You come out with some real pearlers sometimes... it's like you want to make Rossi look bad. He did a good solid race on Sunday... don't try & make him sound shit again!

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RevNutz

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RevNutz says:

Rossi in 6th, he's place in life.

Are you serious? You obviously knew exactly what they were up to in the Yamaha garage. You're so stupid. I guess Bradl being 3rd means he's discovered something that's going to allow him to fight for the championship this season, and if 6th is Rossi's place in life, why has he only finished 6th in the championship once in 18 years of Grand Prix racing, he's not even 6th this year. Lorenzo being first in testing, clearly the best rider that has ever and will ever live, cause testing means everything. Douchebag

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Yamaha is considered to be the best handling bike..by who?

Since the new 1000cc class started at the start of 2012, the results don't seem to back that statement up. Especially since Honda brought the 'new' 2013 bike into play halfway through last year.

In the 15 races since Laguna 2012, the RCV has improved out of sight, winning 11 with Pedrosa claiming 8.

The first 9 races of 2012, with the old bike that suffered 'chatter'..the Yamaha won 5, Jorge taking them all.

That's a marked difference. 44% of wins before. 73% after.

IMO Lorenzo is a better rider than Pedrosa. Dani's improvement is not down to him suddenly being better..it's down to the bike.

Marquez while obviously a bit special, is a rookie and is arguably faster than Pedrosa already.

You and a few others don't seem to want accept the Honda is faster, that it goes round corners at least as good as the Yamaha and is the better package. The stats and most without an axe to grind say different.

Like Casey at Ducati, Lorenzo is not getting the credit he deserves..he's done all the winning at Yamaha for the last 3 years. His style is different to Rossi and the bike has obviously been developed with that in mind.

Lorenzo likes a bike on rails which may go some way to explain the bike's increased wheelbase. He doesn't brake harder than anyone else but carries corner speed and is pin-point accurate.

Rossi is the last of the late brakers and likes a more agile, shorter bike he can turn late and hard and fire out on different lines.

To say they are both 250 riders is facile and lacks real understanding.

Rossi's style is far more old school point and squirt, born out of riding big bikes without so many electronics for the last 13 years. He wants a bike that allows him to race and that doesn't penalise if he strays from the laser line.

At this point he is not as fast as Lorenzo and appears to be taking longer than fickle detractors demand, in adapting to the new to him M1.

Crutchlow hasn't had to adapt, he's been riding an M1 in 800 and 1000 guise for nearly 3 years..and come race day, isn't faster than Rossi.

Lorenzo is Rossi's benchmark and 6 races in, he's a couple of tenths down on race pace. Put Pedrosa and Marquez on a Yamaha and I don't think they'd be any closer.

Rossi has proved he's still got it and IMO, will only improve. He's also been vindicated by leaving Ducati, who have a dog of a bike that nobody would be in title contention on and is not getting any better.

I know that sticks in the throat of some around here who called it the other way round..which is why we get so much anti-Rossi shite around these parts.

Know what I mean Bulto? 

 

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

Wosi...

"In the 15 races since Laguna 2012, the RCV has improved out of sight, winning 11 with Pedrosa claiming 8."


So JL's won 4 out of the last 12... that's 1/3rd of the races (5 of the last 16... 9 of the last 24) , the other 2/3rds being won by the 2 factory Hondas... this year he's won 3 out of 6... Yamaha need someone else capable of winning races... JL can't be expected to win them all but by taking the most wins this year he's proving how dominant Yamaha could be!

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Nostrodamus

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Nostrodamus says:

Well if that doesn't explain your ignorance of the sport Wosi

Nothing will.

First this win ratio HRC to YMC. Both in 2012 and 2013 HRC has held a two to one Alien ratio advantage. That's a pretty easy one to understand I would've thought. Right now in 2013 Lorenzo's won 50% of the races. That suggests there naught wrong with the M1 at all. Engine longevity apart.

IMO Pedrosa is the better rider of the two points leaders. But there's a gnats dick in it, so a very moot point.

You been watching Rossi long Wosi? Rossi point and squirt? Ha, ha. So docile old bean.

And as for late braking, I can tell you a longer more stable motorcycle is definitely a preferable trait over a skittish short one when on the picks. Perhaps you should read a technical manual rather than swallowing Spaldings load hook, line and sinker every time.

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