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Matthew Birt  says:

Cal Crutchlow praises ‘unbelievable’ Jorge Lorenzo

Cal Crutchlow hailed Jorge Lorenzo’s Catalunya MotoGP victory as one of the best of the Spaniard’s premier class career after the Monster Yamaha Tech 3 rider’s challenge was ended by an early crash. Lorenzo led home red-hot pre-race favourite Dani Pedrosa by 1.763s to cut the Repsol Honda rider’s world championship lead to just seven points with a third of the...

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

what it tells me Wosi

is that despite having so much well deserved success to enjoy  some of Rossi's fans can't accept both that he is human and that there have been other riders of talent in GP bike racing, currently and in the past.

Whilst Rossi is obviously the superior rider as a total package and over the length of a career, neither he nor anyone else proved able to ride an 800 Ducati, a bike on which Stoner won 23 races, and all the coulda woulda shouldas in the world from you won't change that fact, now or in the future.

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

Aimless indeed Wosi

Because the point the comments were addressing was the 'best bike' argument in general and as usual you disregarded all else and continued your dismissive criticism of one rider's achievements on one bike.

 

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

DF..

What it should tell you..is that opinions are like arseholes and Butthole Bulto is one of the first to bend over and offer his up when it comes to Stoner.

His "This is how it is" comment is typically dogmatic and presented as fact.

It is two-pronged. 2007, Ducati wasn't the best bike. Today, neither is the Honda.

I call bullshit on both, in my opinion, and it has nothing to do with Rossi..so Shutup and stop being so fkin sensitive.

2007, Ducati caught the others with their pants down. It was a rocketship. It also used Bridgestones, far superior to Michelins of the time. Five out of the top 7 ran the tyres that year and included both Suzuki's and a satellite Honda with distinctly non-stand out riders onboard. 

The bike was a formidable package. Casey rode the season very well and deserved his title, but as stated, never came close to repeating the feat again.

Capirossi & Barros both beat him in races on equal/lesser machinery, neither are considered outstanding top class riders either. 

Loris won that year, had two 2nd's and a 3rd, yet Bulto bases his whole theory on a throwaway "He couldn't ride the bike."

Now where have we heard that before I wonder?

 

We know Buttholes stance on the 2013 Honda. He believes the bike is no better than the Yamaha.

Lorenzo has won half the races this year and the last two on the trot!

Wowee..open & shut case then.

Like all the orange gumbies, there is no acknowledgement of how the 2013 RCV has transformed serial bridesmaid Pedrosa's results over the last 15 races.

It is fobbed off that for 6-and-a-half years, Dani averaged 2.5 wins per season BUT, since the new bike he's won 8 races.

8 wins in 15 races is effectively 10 races a season.

His big pal Nostro reckons Pedrosa is better than Lorenzo, it's supposedly down to Dani learning new technique's after all this time and 'Standing it up on the Fat Part'..

Oh and btw..it's the Yellow fans who are deluded.

Hahaha..

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

Wosi...

"Let's not forget, 2006 Casey was on the best GP bike ever built."


He was in a totally new MotoGP team of 1 (in a last minute deal after Yamaha & Honda Pons fell through) ... a satellite bike... little or no shared data... a rookie with no experience for him or the team to draw from for the bike... & he poled in his 2nd & podiumed in his 3rd race...

... thanks for reminding us. :wink:

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Wowwee Hedgie..outstanding that innit?

Casey finished 8th, 3pts in front of Elias who won a race, on a similar satellite RCV.

Wonder where Tiger Toni's career would've ended up had he gone to Ducati in 2007?

:lol::lol::lol:

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

EL'D...

"The bike had a clear top speed advantage over the rest of the grid"


Let's have a look at that top speed advantage commonly quoted as 10 or 15mph... 1st race 3mph... 2nd race 2mph... 3rd race 3mph... Shanghai, the race everyone quotes, Stoner was a full 1.5mph faster than Pedrosa on the straights...  I won't go on.

Move forward to the 1st qualifying in 2011 when Rossi took over on the shit-pig Ducati & which bike tops the speed trap list?...  Ducati by 2mph... the race?... another Ducati by 3mph.

Wosi... "Casey finished 8th, 3pts in front of Elias who won a race, on a similar satellite RCV."

Yep... Stoner a rookie as the sole member of a new MotoGP team beat a guy in his 2nd year in MotoGP riding for Gresini Honda in their 3rd year in MotoGP with the guy who came 2nd in the previous championship as a team mate to share data with... we know that... it's written in the history books... cool.

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

Wosi

Having read the whole thread now I do recognise there is a rather large amount of gratuitous Rossi bashing going  on, but you really are running out of arguments on the 2007 Ducati, perhaps unsurprisingly given it is now 2013.

I make no contention that Stoner is the greatest rider ever, that is quite possibly Valentino, and if not him Hailwood or Lawson or Ago or Doohan or Rainey. There is fairly incontrovertible evidence he is the greatest Ducati GP rider ever though, and absolutely no evidence that the 800 Ducati was at all dominant for anyone except him , even in 2007. Capirossi, statistically the second greatest Ducati GP rider ever, won the one race, a wet-dry race where Stoner needed to do nothing except finish in front of Rossi to clinch the championship, which he duly did. Alex Barros (the same Barros whom I believe in 2002 once he finally got on what was a much more realistic contender for the best bike ever built won 2 out of 4 races against Valentino on the same bike) beat Stoner in one race in 2007, finishing third  behind 2 Michelin runners, having gambled on a different tyre choice than Stoner and the other Bridgestone runners. 

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

... & Wois...

"Like all the orange gumbies, there is no acknowledgement of how the 2013 RCV has transformed serial bridesmaid Pedrosa's results over the last 15 races."


Hmmm... those 15 races you keep bleating on about... DP has got 289 points in those 15 races... not bad... JL got 281... that's a full 8 points less... wow... some difference. 

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

DF..A brief history of cyber warfare..

Rossi trolling is nothing new around here, it's been going on for three years or so and is part and parcel of MCN forum life.

To be fair to misguided fuckos of the Orange order, they view it as payback for some of the criticism of Stoner copped in the past.There is a subtle difference though and one you refer to often.

Class is permanent, form is temporary.

Stoner's flaky personality and moody double talk are well known. They have provided hours of hilarious entertainment for myself and others and still do, in the name of winding up his dopey fans. Casey was never very popular and it's impossible to compete with Rossi and his giggling fans on that front. Especially when a moaning sourpuss like Casey is the direct competition. The Orange dullards won't accept this..that it makes them look bad by association, which is all the more fun.

2011..

The schadenfreude ramped up while he was at Ducati, obviously in their eyes Rossi couldn't ride the bike and was a failure..much merriment and dancing in the streets ensued from the Gumby hardcore whom you've no doubt noticed.

The problem for them was, Rossi comparatively wasn't that slow most of the time, because the competition had moved on so far and at the same time Stoner moved to Honda. This was all down to Casey, much like it's down to Dani now, but wosi and a few others still had a field day.

Incontrovertible proof was unearthed for lap times and race pace - as you know - and skilful argument kept the #27ers literally hopping around, incensed EVERYBODY didn't bow down at the Australian's tiny little feet.

Of course, Stoner was bitter and wanted to go after Rossi off the track..a big mistake. This provided more ammunition for the other side, and we chortled ourselves silly at his amateur attempts, riddled with contradiction. Like many of the pondlife here, he didn't have the charisma or intelligence to pull it off..but wouldn't let it drop gracefully, incapable of doing so due to his heritage and lack of class..

2011 was tough for the Yellow. Rossi languished barely a podium. Stoner romped away to his 2nd title..but there had been a few chinks in his shiny new Orange armour..enough for committed Rossi fans to work with as we entered 2012..

(To be Continued)

 

Nice vid El-D..absolute proof and evidence. H5 is becoming increasingly desperate with his squirming attempts to deflect. A fork tongued snake sliding sideways on the lowest of constipated bellies.

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

To be continued?

The only thing you continue to show is that like your hero Rossi, Stoner got well and truly under your skin too and even though he's now been gone 6 months, you can't scratch that itch. You're condemned to suffer from an orange parasite, gnawing away at you for time immortal

Let it go man, your best bike blah blah blah won't convince anyone with an ounce of intelligence

Instead rejoice. Rossi has found a new set up he likes - you may start to enjoy the races again...

 

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