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Matthew Birt  says:

Cal Crutchlow praises ‘unbelievable’ Jorge Lorenzo

Cal Crutchlow hailed Jorge Lorenzo’s Catalunya MotoGP victory as one of the best of the Spaniard’s premier class career after the Monster Yamaha Tech 3 rider’s challenge was ended by an early crash. Lorenzo led home red-hot pre-race favourite Dani Pedrosa by 1.763s to cut the Repsol Honda rider’s world championship lead to just seven points with a third of the...

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Let it go..?

hahaha..fkin priceless.

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

ffs El D

everyone knows the2007 Ducati was fast in a straight line, but not by the margin you guys claim, not as much in the second half of the year, and in the race in which it was most prominent, either China or Turkey, Yamaha had a problem and couldn't use all the ratios in their gearbox, limiting top speed.


We have had this discussion before I believe, but they actually run GP races on race circuits, where they have these things called corners, rather than on drag strips, and actually negotiating the entire lap at the fastest pace is what is important, not speed on the straight, hence the cross plane crankshaft in line 4 which Furosawa is justly famous for developing, and Rossi for choosing, and ongoing attempts to tame the current Ducati engine, the characteristics of which Wosi is currently (and correctly imo) arguing are a major contributor to the Ducati's handling/turning woes.   

If you could get the thing through the corners with sufficient rapidity, sure the straightline advantage was insuperable on many tracks. This was the trick though, and by the testimony of everyone who has encountered the bike including Rossi required a unique method, which (perhaps oddly) being unique no-one other than Stoner including Rossi could replicate.

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

doesn't wash I am afraid Wosi, meaning the anti-Stoner stuff.

You have got to the crux of it though. To paraphrase you (something you are fond of doing to others) Stoner didn't really have the success that he had because you don't like him.

That Rossi is more popular than Stoner is incontrovertibly (to coin a phrase) true. Otherwise, your sophistry to the effect that Rossi was as fast as Stoner on the Ducati convinced no-one, I suspect including yourself, and the first person you would need to convince is Valentino Rossi himself, who has straight out said he couldn't ride the bike as Stoner did. By your argument, ridiculously applied to races Stoner didn't finish but not to races he did finish, the CRT bikes were faster in 2011 than Stoner on the Ducati in 2010. 

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Hedgehog5 says:

EL'D...

"Jerez 2007. See any Yamahas?"

Sorry... you said a speed advantage... when only one bike is significantly slower that's a speed disadvantage... yeah? Ducati, Honda, & even Suzuki & Kawasaki had fast bikes in a straight line... John Hopkins had a speed advantage over Rossi... best bike? The largest gap to another make is 6kph... 4mph... 

By your stats, on Sunday, Ducati had a full 3kph advantage (that's 2mph) over its nearest rival... thank you for confirming that... how fast was the Yamaha*? 3 or 4mph slower than Ducati?... as I say, wow!... the sort of speed advantage they had in Qatar 2011 which was exploited with great effect by the guy who'd also just got on the fastest (ie in your view "best") bike on the grid... not.



* I don't know where you've got this data from... I have Capirossi doing 275.2 in the race... Rossi 269, Pedrosa 273... Barros lead warm-up with Edwards only 4kph slower on a Yam... maybe MotoGP.com's official figures are screwed up.


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EL'D...

"By the way, 2007 Hondas where a disaster, I can't remember how many chassis changes they did last year."


But they were fast, hence good bikes in your book... without Stoner where would Ducati have been?... behind Suzuki in the championship?... even more of a disaster... that's the Suzuki that was faster than Rossi's Yamaha at the round you drew stats from.

"Obviously for you 4 - 6 mph (7 - 10 km/h) do not make a difference while trying to overtake."

Hector Berbera's Ducati had a 9kph (6mph) speed advantage over the fastest Yamaha (3kph over the fastest other make) when Rossi got on it in 2011... how many wins did it get?

The only hard evidence you can give for labelling the 2007 Ducati as the best bike is its top speed, but another, almost equally fast bike, was a disaster? With any other rider on it (including Rossi, as we know) the 2007 Ducati season would have been disastrous, the bike a failure.

You've stopped making sense. The end. :winkie:

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