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Matthew Birt  says:

Nicky Hayden unlikely to switch to new Ducati in Assen

American Nicky Hayden reckons he is unlikely to begin racing Ducati’s new ‘lab’ bike in Assen next weekend because it is no better than his current factory GP13 Desmosedici. Ducati has invested vast human and financial resources into the new ‘lab’ bike, which features revised weight distribution and a chassis with different stiffness. It was hoped the new bike would help solve...

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aintnothin

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aintnothin says:

Ducati

Way back before many of you were born there was NCR Ducati building better bikes than any Japanese factory.  There is the concept of "leap frogging" and "going down the wrong path".  This is found even in F1.

So, Ducati took a left turn into the weeds and hasn't recovered yet.  But they will.  During this time the Japanese factories continued to improve.  So it's a double effect.  Do you think Stoner would get back on the Ducati?  I don't.  It's amazing he won the championship on it.

 

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Nostrodamus

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Nostrodamus says:

I dare say Corse are almost as confused as the rest of us as to how their two sub alien factory pilots can turn very competitive singular laps but not be able to manage the tyre degradation as well as the Japanese marques and riders. The black art of motorcycle chassis design....

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VonStalhein

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VonStalhein says:

Nostro & Aintnothin

Great points you both raise....

It is amazing that the bike still can't put in consistent fast laps for an entire race. Dovi still maintains the bike is a pig to turn so perhaps struggling with the oversteer over race duration is eating the tyres ? The Japanese bikes don't seem to suffer from this issue so maybe that's why they seem to manage their tyres better ?

And maybe the "turn into the weeds" was the carbon frame era. After 2007, the bikes definitely never seemed to be the same. It just goes to show the amount of talent that Casey Stoner has to win on that bike. Especially when nobody else seems to have had any results with it since !! I bet Casey couldn't get over the Honda and how easier it was to ride after riding the Duke.

 

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YamahaGYTR

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YamahaGYTR says:

If this Ducati project continues to fail I'd imagine Audi turning around and saying get lost we've had enough of you sounds insulting though but what else can be done ie get someone like Furusawa come along unlikely to happen.

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BMEP

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BMEP says:

No choice

Ducati have no choice there is now only one way to progress and that is to build a Honda/Ducati. They have to give up the traditional Ducati engine layout (90 degree V4 or L4 as they call it) with the near horizontal front cylinders, inclined a few more degrees the other year but still incorrect to work with these regulations.

The engine will be a total redesign, 90 degree V4 in the style and design close to the present Honda layout thus loading up the front end enough to weight the regulation tyre and provide enough feel for everyone and anyone. The new frame could be made out of carbon fibre or aluminium as the frame material is irrelevant.

This is much more than a racing decision, it is a new marketing strategy having to show to the whole world that their trademark layout has been well and truly revised. With ever more restrictions these bikes are no longer prototypes but are heavily regulated strict formula designs produced by cramped and truncated thinking. The future is not bright – yet.

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Dice350

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Dice350 says:

Money please.

How much has been spent on this lab bike alone? The riders say there is such little difference to the current machinery they needn't have to spend too much time deciding what to ride for the next round. How did Stoner achieve what he did? For everyone else who swings a leg over a Ducati it's a nightmare. But look at Suzuki. Their prototype is already competitive in the hands of Randy, their assigned test rider. Give 'em a ring, ask how they done it.

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Richard1967

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Richard1967 says:

Ducati V4

Forgive my impudence , but what am i missing here? ;a 90 degree angle is  L shaped not  V  shaped , is it  where the L is viewed  and the Ducati is L and the Honda is  on its end? , that being the case , does the Ducati simply need tilting back , but the desmodromic valve system wont allow it?

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CBR11X

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CBR11X says:

A 90 degree V is an L. Same thing. Either way Ducati can't seem to get enough mass over the front wheel to get it to turn properly. After a few fast laps it chews the fronts leading to understeer.

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

BMEP...

"Ducati have no choice there is now only one way to progress and that is to build a Honda/Ducati"


It's not how they won the last title... beating the Japanese at their own game isn't going to work... as a small fish they have to try things from a different angle.

If you were going to take on Tesco's you wouldn't open a grocery shop next door, you'd look for the angle they aren't flexible enough to exploit... but you wouldn't expect to detract from their profits for long.

In 2007 Ducati had the jump with a potentially fast motorcycle & a rider who could turn that potential into wins but they had to keep evolving or face obscurity... they had to look for another angle... the CF bike was good enough for wins but not consistent enough for a championship. Move on.

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CBR11X

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CBR11X says:

It's not funny, that's how it is. If Ducati are so smart, how come they can't build a competitive MotoGP bike that can handle? Their bike is very light on the front. It was the same case when Stoner was there too. Back in 2009 their bike was getting a little over 100N of force onto the front wheel at speed, roughly 10kg, they even tried putting on those stupid fins on the fairing to try and get downforce. Stoner had to turn in whilst on the brakes in order to get any grip at all, contributing to all the front end crashes he had. They haven't learnt a thing in 5 years. Speak for yourself, I can change a lamp blindfolded using only my cock, a bottle of ouzo and some electrical tape! If they want some help, they can PM me.

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