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Matthew Birt  says:

Valentino Rossi boosted by braking breakthrough

Valentino Rossi hailed his successful Motorland Aragon test appearance as one of his best days since returning to Yamaha, despite finishing almost a second slower than factory YZR-M1 teammate Jorge Lorenzo. The Italian was all smiles and full of optimism heading to the next race in Assen after he set a personal best time of 1.49.007 that put him fourth behind...

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saturn392

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saturn392 says:

PrinceofRepsol (you wish)

my dear young boy you being one of it's main protagonists you should know that trading insults and personal attacks are all part and parcel of the mechanics of these said forums. Nostro understands, he doesn't need you riding shotgun for him.  When you're a bit older you'll understand a bit more about life.

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saturn392

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saturn392 says:

Hedge

I'm not as cantankerous as some people think!        Re: me disagreeing with your last comment - as it's hypothetical I can neither agree nor disagree.    Rock on!

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Hedgehog5 says:

Saturn...

"Good qualifying is important because even if you don't benefit from the advantage it gives you in the race it means your direct competitors start from a disadvantaged position... as we have witnessed."

Not hypothetical... fact & Ducati have benefitted from it. Every racer recognises this... otherwise why bother with qualifying?

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saturn392

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saturn392 says:

Hedge

Good qualifying is of benefit if you convert it into race results if you don't it's of no benefit. I'm referring specifically to Ducati - Rossi's disadvantage apart - Ducati's qualifying has not generally been any advantage to their race results. It's not just one poor result from a higher position it's poor results from higher qualifying every time.   Tell me where Ducati have benefitted from their qualifying.   Hypothetically (again) if  Bradl and Bautista had not had 2 DNF's apiece then Dovi would be 8th in the championship - where's the advantage? Dovi has benefitted more from DNF's than from qualifying.

 

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Nostrodamus says:

Credit when and where its due Veritas

The world nr.6 was an Alien 2009/2010 as the young guns were still building their armoury. He reached his peak and plateaued long ago though. The three amigos simply have more game than him, shutting him out of the Alien club now the pace has been upped to a level beyond the skills on the old yellow stager.

None of the excuse making from the bed wetting brigade counts. Age - pah. The world nr.6 is at his physical & mental peak at 34. Motivation  - he said pre season he was as motivated for the battle ahead as any season. Bike - Lorenzo proves the M1 remains at least the equal of any bike out there. New bike? Please it's the god damn M1 - nr.6's favourite armchair. A new bike and rider is MM on the RCV - he's going O.K though isn't he? Nowhere to hide for the yellow one, and as expected he's being exposed in no uncertain terms.

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Hedgehog5 says:

Saturn...

Dovi's direct competitors in the championship are who...Rossi & Cal? In qualifying & staying ahead of Cal & in fact leading for the 1st few laps in France he deprived us of a doubtful but possible battle for a win, directly enhancing his position relative to Cal... in qualifying ahead of Rossi in Mugello he put Rossi amongst less talented riders, the results of which Rossi has experienced more than once.

"Good qualifying is of benefit if you convert it into race results if you don't it's of no benefit"

I have given you 2 examples of good qualifying being of benefit despite it not resulting in as high a race result, against each of Dovi's direct competitors. There ya go...

 

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saturn392

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saturn392 says:

Hedge

And yet both Crutchlow and Rossi despite both having DNF'd are both still ahead in the championship.  I'm not saying your logic is wrong but  I think we're looking at this from opposite ends of the spectrum. I still say that DNF's have contributed more to his 6th position than his qualifying bearing in mind he has had 0 DNF's himself.

By the way as a factory prototype rider his direct competitors are 'all' the other factory riders if they're not and as Nostro has suggested there's nothing wrong with the GP13 it only needs another Stoner then he's out of his league and should not be on a factory bike. (his past results don't support that theory)

When Dovi's results equal or better his qualifying position then his qualifying is a benefit otherwise it's an academic achievement. 

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Firebird3 says:

Nostro

You're right, the three amigos have upped their game, while Rossi was out in the wilderness on the Ducati, but that doesn't mean he is shut out of the alien club. He may be stuggling in qualifying, but his FP have been good, his fastest race laps have only been 1 or 2 tenths behind JL and the last race he was only 5 secs behind the race winner. Bearing that in mind, seeing as he has just made a significant step forward with the bike, it looks like you will have to cease with the world nr6, as he will be back in the alien club.

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VeritasH says:

@Nostrodamus If you're right than thats pretty scary, it took Jorge 3-4 years and Pedrosa 5 to up his game to this point, and MM is pretty much up with them straight away. Be interesting to see where he is in 4 years time! While I agree that it the game has upped a notch and that Rossi hasn't been able to find those last few tenths, I don't necessarily think it exposes him as a fraud. Its normal for the old generation of sportsman to be surpassed by the new one, I wouldn't say it makes past achievements meaningless though.

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Nostrodamus

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Nostrodamus says:

Let's remember the world nr.6 managed to align a lot of ducks in his favour in his day - until he became Duck mounted that is.

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