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Matthew Birt  says:

Jorge Lorenzo surprised with 50% win rate

Reigning world champion Jorge Lorenzo says he didn’t expect to have won half of the opening six races of the 2013 MotoGP world championship. The Spaniard heads into this weekend’s legendary Dutch TT at Assen on the crest of a wave after winning successive races in Mugello and Catalunya. Back-to-back dominant victories in Italy and Barcelona have seen the factory Yamaha rider...

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weskit

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weskit says:

more demented yellow logic

The reason there are far less podium finishers from 2007-2012 is because to get on the podium you needed to finish in front of at least two of Rossi, Lorenzo, Stoner, and Pedrosa. Since these 4 were consistently in a completely different league it didn't happen very often, at least until Rossi left for a "new challenge" in 2011. Prior to 2007 it was much easier because you only had to beat the likes of Biaggi and Gibernau. They were not in a different league and the fact so many more got on the podium proves it.

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jamieg999 says:

Talking of F1

An overly simplistic view of F1 methinks. Let's not forget that Red Racing is a privateer team using a customer engine and is taking on and beating possibly the ultimate factory team, Ferrari, as well as Mercedes-Benz and McLaren etc

I won't bore anyone with the number of different race winners in a season suffice to say that taking control of the championship, banning the driving aids that had sanitised the sport and establishing a formula that made it as fair as it can be appears to have worked. Any recalcitrance from anyone regardless of reputation and it's straight to Paris for a sit down chat and an appreciation that Mr Ecclestone was right all along. 

As a racing spectacle it works, any one of 5+ drivers can and do win, Sebastian Vettel keeps winning because he seems to have that thing that champions have.

The best leaf that MotoGP can take from the F1 book is that no man is ever bigger than the sport despite what the hype tries to sell you. F1 did it with Schumacher and MotoGP needs to do it with Rossi, only then can the sport start to move forwards.

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chrisg011

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chrisg011 says:

MGP v F1

Spot on Jamie - F1 has taken the steps to rebuild the competitive element into the sport. They recognised the problems and undertook to resolve them, trying different formats and formulas until they made it work. The key is recognising that no man equals one sport - never.

MGP is taking the steps and, despite the critism that Dorna have taken (yes they real DO read your posts people), they have forced the hands of the big manufacturers to create Customer bikes which, we hope, will level the field and allow talent to rise frofm the production/proto ranks, upto the full prototypes.

Rossi will move to WSBK in 2015 (IF WSBK survives) and we will have the likes of Redding, Espagaro, Vinales, Salom etc in the big class, or getting ready to move up - the best is yet to come!!! 

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Bootlegger

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Bootlegger says:

Amen Jamie

As for the George surprise,it has never been a surprise. I guess it is just a little piece of his nature coming to the fore. Understated as ever. 50% strike rate this early in with GOAT as team mate and lest we forget,Bridgestone adviser. He sure does ride that M1 like none before him. SHWEET !!

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PaceyCasey

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PaceyCasey says:

Jamie

Let's not forget that Red Racing is a privateer team

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...............................with resources and money to match any factory effort. You 'aint getting away with that one bud ;). Red Bull Racing may be a relative newcomer to the sport but they are far far from being a 'privateer team'.

Money to burn and technical know how that obviously surpasses many others. Why the hell would the best driver in the world choose a 'private team'? Because he knows that they aren't. Simple.

 

 

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

I think weskit

that there were definitely more bikes with a podium chance prior to 2007. The problem with the logic of the argument is that one of the most frequent podium finishers from 2007 on  was for much of that period on a bike that fairly rarely got on the podium in the hands of anyone else, including several riders who not infrequently got on the podium prior to 2007, and that the 2nd Yamaha rider was also a relatively infrequent visitor to the podium for whatever reason except for when that rider was Lorenzo, which rather supports your argument.

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jamieg999

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jamieg999 says:

Private or Factory?

Hmmmm, nice one Pacey.

I would say that Red Bull Racing are privateer despite the enormous pile of money behind them. The team started as a private effort when Jackie Stewart set it up, albeit with his close and historic ties to Ford, was then rebranded as Jaguar with continued power from Ford-Cosworth and became Red Bull racing powered by Renault

They could almost have been factory as Jaguar but they weren't really, the team was run by 2 ex drivers, an engineer and a designer. 

If Red Bull were in MotoGP they would be more CRT than HRC.

 

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AlexDAbomB69

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AlexDAbomB69 says:

Private

yes. Equal to a crt team in moto gp. No. It cost Red Bull Racing $300 million to win the the 2011 world title. With a return of $176 million in advertising $55 million for winning and some other payouts back into the team. The actual profit made by the team at the end of 2011 was $3.8 million. Different universe formula 1 and I hope it stays that way.

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AlexDAbomB69

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AlexDAbomB69 says:

are they?

Mercedes budget was $145 million for the same period and Lotus was $155 million. Williams who also could be called a private team spent a mere $111 million. I dont have Mclarens but I know its in the region of $300 million. The FIA are trying to cap budgets at $250 million and Martin Whitmarsh is quoted as saying that "its impossible". I have just read that HRC's budget for the 2011 Moto gp season was $450 million and Yamaha's Budget was $300 million. How? I need to lie down.

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AlexDAbomB69

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AlexDAbomB69 says:

its from

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/817/11818/Motorcycle-Article/How-Will-CRT-Work-in-MotoGP-.aspx

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