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Matthew Birt  says:

Cal Crutchlow nearing future decision

Cal Crutchlow is nearing making a final decision on his 2014 MotoGP plans, with the British rider’s future dominating paddock gossip once again in Laguna Seca.The 27-year-old is likely to make a decision on his plans during the three-week summer break that he will spend in California and an announcement could be made during the forthcoming Indianapolis round in mid-August.Crutchlow’s...

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CHRainmaker

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CHRainmaker says:

The problem Bullshrimp..

..are the murky waters surrounding Espargaro's proposed contract with Tech 3. Being the best rider the French satellite squad have ever had, Crutchlow is well placed to argue for narrowing the economic disparity between him and the top riders, as well as securing his number one place within that team. If the rumours are to believed and Pol get's a factory supported ride (something I don't think will happen), then Crutchlow would be better served moving elsewhere...

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

I still can't see why Cal can't stay at Tech3 on a full factory bike.

Yamaha claim they can't resource it, whatever that means, but are now planning to release not just an engine but an engine / chassis package to FTR. It's not clear whether just FTR are getting the Yamaha chassis or whether other teams who use the M1 engine will get it too, or whether FTR will develop their own frame from the Yamaha chassis eventually and market that. But for non MSMA teams, 12 engines are allowed.

So how many engines does this mean Yamaha will actually have to build and supply to however many teams that use the M1 engine, and how many frames will they have to supply.? Yet before this idea was even born, they always said that they can't resource running a third full factory bike in the Tech3 team

Granted, we've no knowledge of the financial and workforce requirements of the Motogp effort, but the maths just don't seem to add up here.

The problem Tech3 have is that Yamaha are virtually running the team, not Herve.

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DoubtingThomas

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Murky?

Murky 'cause Cal's got the hump? Yamaha are looking to the future, so seem to have signed Pol. Honda have been snapping up every decent 250/moto2 rider for years, and slotting them in where they see fit. There's nothing murky in this. Yamaha have two factory riders, and no desire to change their structure to accommodate a rider who's very good, but not great, and not better than what they have.

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

DT

I'd agree there is no reason for Yamaha to change their factory riders at this time and I can't see Cal ever going into the full factory team unless he wins, or damn near wins the title on the Tech3 bike.

But he is deserving of a full spec bike given his results so far which have seen him beat every one of the factory riders.

Yamaha dictate to an extent who goes into Tech3. Poncheral didn't want Espargaro, Yamaha appear to have signed him and want him in Tech3. If it is in Tech3 on a full factory bike then Jarvis is once again exposed as a hypocrite, given what he has said before about being unable to run a third factory bike as they can't resource it (why doesn't some journo ask him exactly what that means...)

I still can't see any reason why Cal can't run a full spec bike in Tech3

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CHRainmaker

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CHRainmaker says:

If Yamaha are looking to the future as you say..

..then why is it at the expense of the 2nd best Yamaha rider on the grid? With your reasoning, would it not seem reasonable to move the oldest member, and 3rd best rider, onto pastures new?..Of course not, we know how important Rossi is to Yamaha and we also know of his potential. The same can surely be said of Crutchlow though - I'm not suggesting for one minute he has the standing of Valentino or is as good as Lorenzo, but he's certainly more proven at this level than Espagaro and appears to be a marketing success, both of which are critical in the top tier..

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

If Cal had signed for 2 years when it was offered..Yamaha wouldn't have looked elsewhere for Pol.

Brad is on a tech3 contract. Pol has a Yamaha contract - like Spies - because they have a say in who is placed in Herve's team..just like Honda at LCR and Gresini.

Whatever you think..the satellite bikes are not upgraded, for good or bad, at the pace the factory bikes are.

Yamaha and Honda won't change this philosophy because they want their factory bikes winning titles for factory kudos..it would make them look silly if Tech3, LCR or Gresini beat them.

The factories use these teams as a potential stepping stone for riders, who prove themselves, to move into the works outfit.

Crutchlow, like Dovi last year, was in the frame for Spies' seat until Rossi signed.

They both got the hump. Dovi went to Ducati for a big payday. Cal would have gone if given the nod, but had to come back cap in hand after Bologna chose Andrea.

Why didn't he sign for 2 years then? Because he wanted Hayden's seat for 2014..and the money.

To be frank..Crutchlow messed Yamaha about, showing disloyalty and impatience.

They want to keep him but, on their terms, not his..and personally I don't think either Cal or his fans should be moaning as much as they are, given the above.

He's best off staying where he is, on a bike he knows within a team he knows, signing a 1 year contract for 2014 and continuing to put in performances that have to make Yamaha and Honda take him into consideration for next year's silly season when everybody else who matters are doing the same thing.

After all that's been said by him..is he man enough to swallow his pride and buckle down though?

If he goes to Ducati, fans will say he's a mercenary who sold his racing ambition down the river to the best bidder.

If he goes to Honda, they are not going to GURANTEE him a place in Repsol for 2015, over Pedrosa, on respective present form.

Stay wher you are, get your head down and put a sock in it.

 

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CHRainmaker

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CHRainmaker says:

You fail to mention Crutchlow IS beating the factory riders...

...on inferior machinery, and yet is getting paid a fraction of what the factory boys are. It's human nature to feel a little aggrieved that you're not being rewarded in the same way as your contemporaries, despite doing a better job in some cases. The fact he didn't sign for 2 years was a product of not having the information required to make an informed decision and presumably based on the potential of a factory ride in 2014. Why shouldn't he look for a big payday? Let's be honest, if it's all about the racing, why is Rossi such a determined cash cow?...

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

It doesn't matter that he is beating factory riders THIS YEAR, because there is NOWHERE for him to go, Ducati aside.

And..it doesn't matter how much you piss and whine about it, Yamaha are NOT going to rip up Rossi's contract before mid term for a rider who's fked them about and is yet to win a race.

Crutchlow and his manager knew Tech3 would have prototype M1's..any reference otherwise was a smokescreen to deflect blame elsewhere on a technicality.

Rossi is Rossi pal, you should know that by now..and if we're being honest, that's why Crutchlow fans are squealing as loud as the man himself.

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mickdel

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mickdel says:

Informed Comment

I think both the comments below from wosi and chr make valid points. Cal needs to make some money, to keep him in splendour in the Isle of Man, at the end of the day. Compare Cal's position, and actions, with Johnnie Rea, with Honda, in WSB. He's ridden a clearly inferior machine, but kept his opinions of it, and the clearly better machines of his rivals, to himself. Hopefully the new Fireblade will work for him. I wonder how much Cal has shot himself in the foot by saying what he should have, compared to what Yamaha are prepared to give him. Difficult one. We all want him to do as well as possible, so we have a brit doing great in motogp. Not forgetting, of course, that both are tax dodgers!! wosihoundsays If Cal had signed for 2 years when it was offered..Yamaha wouldn't have looked elsewhere for Pol. Brad is on a tech3 contract. Pol has a Yamaha contract - like Spies - because they have a say in who is placed in Herve's team..just like Honda at LCR and Gresini. Whatever you think..the satellite bikes are not upgraded, for good or bad, at the pace the factory bikes are. Yamaha and Honda won't change this philosophy because they want their factory bikes winning titles for factory kudos..it would make them look silly if Tech3, LCR or Gresini beat them. The factories use these teams as a potential stepping stone for riders, who prove themselves, to move into the works outfit. Crutchlow, like Dovi last year, was in the frame for Spies' seat until Rossi signed. They both got the hump. Dovi went to Ducati for a big payday. Cal would have gone if given the nod, but had to come back cap in hand after Bologna chose Andrea. Why didn't he sign for 2 years then? Because he wanted Hayden's seat for 2014..and the money. To be frank..Crutchlow messed Yamaha about, showing disloyalty and impatience. They want to keep him but, on their terms, not his..and personally I don't think either Cal or his fans should be moaning as much as they are, given the above. He's best off staying where he is, on a bike he knows within a team he knows, signing a 1 year contract for 2014 and continuing to put in performances that have to make Yamaha and Honda take him into consideration for next year's silly season when everybody else who matters are doing the same thing. After all that's been said by him..is he man enough to swallow his pride and buckle down though? If he goes to Ducati, fans will say he's a mercenary who sold his racing ambition down the river to the best bidder. If he goes to Honda, they are not going to GURANTEE him a place in Repsol for 2015, over Pedrosa, on respective present form. Stay wher you are, get your head down and put a sock in it. CHRainmaker says You fail to mention Crutchlow IS beating the factory riders... ...on inferior machinery, and yet is getting paid a fraction of what the factory boys are. It's human nature to feel a little aggrieved that you're not being rewarded in the same way as your contemporaries, despite doing a better job in some cases. The fact he didn't sign for 2 years was a product of not having the information required to make an informed decision and presumably based on the potential of a factory ride in 2014. Why shouldn't he look for a big payday? Let's be honest, if it's all about the racing, why is Rossi such a determined cash cow?... I suppose at the end of the day, money is the bottom line........you have to acknowledge that what you can realistically achieve, may not be what you want.

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mickdel

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mickdel says:

paragraphs went out the window

don't know what happened below. It all got splodged together!

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