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Matthew Birt  says:

Exclusive: Casey Stoner to test factory Honda in Japan

Double world champion Casey Stoner will make a dramatic return to MotoGP action next month when he tests a factory Honda RC213V at the Twin Ring Motegi track in Japan, MCN can reveal. The outspoken but blindingly fast Australian, who retired from MotoGP immediately after the final race of 2012 in Valencia last November, will take part in a two-day test...

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

No Mario

It's not relevant.

Doohan's injuries, as sickeningly horrific as they were were immediately obvious, diagnosed and treated - eventually, after the first medical mess up. Then it was a case of waiting until he felt he could get back on it and ride again. He knew what he was up against and what his limitations were. I take nothing away from the guts it took. Today, it's doubtful it would be allowed.

With an allergy, it is not clear what the cause is, the symptoms prevail until diagnosed. Attempts at diagnosing it failed and riding the bike was putting him and others in potential danger. The consequnces of spewing into your helmet and covering your visor doesn't really bear thinking about, does it? What if he'd passed out on the bike? He took time out to get diagnosed and treated. Whilst out he went fishing. Wosi's often used criticism that if he could drive x number of miles to go fishing, he could race, really isn't the most intelligent thing he has ever said, is it.

Your comparison and consequent belittling of Stoner's condition are borne simply out of the fact you don't like him. But this topic has drawn you out to comment often enough on him hasn't it, despite your assertion he wouldn't be missed.

I'd love to hear your reaction if he'd broken his leg and on his comeback, had been seen making use of a walking stick when on camera, but not always when off it...

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

he was

actually intolerant of lactose, the sugar in milk, rather than allergic BB, but your argument holds.

To apply reductio ad absurdum, I guess if you die of cholera you are both not really dead and unmanly, because it is not trauma. 

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

yes supermario

So he wasn't ill because a Marlboro advertising executive thought he wasn't? Marlboro have been known to occasionally deny the existence of medical problems in contexts other than when Casey Stoner was riding for Ducati in 2009, as BB has said. If their commercial imperatives were being interfered with, as I am sure they were, it was not unreasonable for them to seek a new direction as they did. This has nothing to do with whether Stoner was or wasn't actually ill though.  

 

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Is this a knitting forum?

Jesus..how effeminate.

Just about everybody was flabbergasted when Stoner took himself out of the championship mid-season completely undiagnosed.

Ducati and Marlboro paid for him to undergo a whole raft of tests from the best medical people in the world..NOTHING. His Hick Boonie GP wrote him out a belated sick-note for lactose, which apparently can be diagnosed with a simple breath test.

It was mild anaemia, gastritis, low blood pressure, lack of sodium, overtraining etc. etc. and the doctor gave him some salt tablets to see if it helped for Estoril. WOW!

The AWOL lasted from July to October and it was still a "Mystery Illness" when he returned, supposedly still weak and needing to work his way back into racing.

Doohan was pale and drawn, his leg like a banana, sweating blood. desperately trying to score points to win a title.

Lorenzo, Pedrosa, Rossi, DePuniet..days in a hyperbaric chamber, crippled, hobbling, lifted on and off the bike..fighting to get back.

..and Stoner flounces back, fit as a flea, refreshed after his little fishing holiday, plonks it on the front row and comes 2nd and wins the next two in a row?

What an absolute crock of shit. There was nothing wrong with him apart from his broken mind.

It's pathetic to see all the fangirls rushing to his defence, cold compress in hands..hahaha

You ought to be ashamed to call yourselves bike racing fans.

Bunch of fkin pussies..the lot of ya  

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supermario

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supermario says:

Completely relevant

"He knew what he was up against and what his limitations were"

 

As did stoner. He knew he couldn't win the title that year, he knew that he was being out-raced and out-ridden, but instead of manning up he blamed his mental fatigue on something spurious.

If Mick Doohan was dead he'd be turning in his grave.

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Must watch..

Here's the BBC Suppo/Stoner interview after Donington 2009..where Casey made the crazy decision to start on wets when everyone else ran drys..his last race before he cried off with a poorly tum-tum and went AWOL.

His moaning bitch about Rossi gives us a clue to his mental state.

He doesn't look ill at all.

There was nearly a month between Donington and the next race..but he couldn't convalesce at home and come back for Brno to try and score some points?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCR6VBngZbE

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

Pathetic and childish

Just about everybody was flabbergasted when Stoner took himself out of the championship mid-season completely undiagnosed.

Well done Wosi, you understand that - which is why he took himself out to get it diagnosed. As for the best medical people in the world, you're an authority on that now are you....  no end to your fields of expertise are there. Ducati and Marlboro showed the level of care they offered to their employees with their treatment of Melandri

Typical pathetic responses from you and Mario, ignore anything you don't like as it doesn't further your argument or substantiate your own opinions of Stoner which are formed out of nothing but dislike for someone who was able to challenge your hero - a hero you need to succeed in order to enjoy the sport.

Real manly attitude. Pathetic

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Shutup Batiboy and take it on the chin..rather than a long 'un up the wrong 'un, like you usually do.

Some of us are men here and are prepared to say what real men think.

You're in the minority again..defending your boyfriend and showing everybody what a whining little ponce you are. 

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Hedgehog5

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Hedgehog5 says:

Pogo...

"Similarly vr finished ahead of cs in the championship more than the other way round... however in this hypothetical situation I would suggest thatthe better record belonged to the rider winning 5 out 5 out of 6 rather than coming second every year,"


"I would suggest that championship position is the best guide to how good someone was over the season"

So let me get this straight... you want to use championship position as a guide but not when it doesn't suit your argument... then you just want to use only who was ahead of who in the championship as an absolute to who was better... you thought you'd found the only statistic by which Rossi beat Stoner during the time they raced together & even then you had to modify it. Very poor.

"If you are wanting to take out casey's most dificult year may I suggestit would only be reasonable to take out rossi's as well, after all he was at a bike disadvantage just like stoner was in his rookie year, that sounds fair to me"

You can take out both of Rossi's difficult years on the bike he chose to swap to & Stoner's rookie year... guess who comes out tops in who finished ahead of who in races... by 33 to 30... conveniently it wipes out one of Stoner's championships & both of his years on a decent bike. On the championship board, by your earlier definition, they were equal, but on the track, & in every statistic other than the one you just had to modify, he dominated.

I think this conversation has disappeared up it's own arse now... since I don't think you actually believe what you're writing, if you've nothing new to say I won't be answering any more... cheers for the conversation & for proving Stoner was even more dominant than many people would have realised.

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supermario

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supermario says:

If its as outlandish

as you say bluto, why are you so upset by it? Why are you trying so hard to deny it?

 

stoner whimped out that year. He simply gave up. Not for the last time either.

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