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Matthew Birt  says:

Yamaha explain Open M1 test refusal for Jorge Lorenzo

Yamaha denied Jorge Lorenzo’s pre-season request to test an Open class spec YZR-M1 because it made no sense in letting the Spaniard evaluate a bike they had no intention of him racing.MCN exclusively revealed earlier this month that the double MotoGP world champion had requested an Open-spec YZR-M1 test because he felt 24 litres and access to softer compound Bridgestone...

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DeGrasse

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DeGrasse says:

jamieg999

It's not irrelevant when you realize that if your bike isn't good enough on the brakes because your chassis geometry and weight distribution doesn't allow for a heat build up fast enough to insure good grip, or at turnability or acceleration, the only way to recover it is to change this geometry and weight transfer, which is what Yamaha have done with the 2014 M1.

On top of which, last year partials demonstrated that Marquez was faster nearly everywhere bar the fastest curves, i don't think at Yamaha Racing they dare betting on his inexperience to manage tyres (as last year not before Assen) and race, or not being able to translate partial times, best race laps and poles into wins.

Point being, the limit on a bike is not that of the (rear) tyre but passed that.

I can enumerate the advantages of being able to slide a bike of this power and weight (from comments made by 500 champs AND personal experience):

First you can steer the bike in and out of a corner, and brake harder, then you can put the power down faster and earlier, therefore accelerate faster, then one other issue Yamaha had last season; tyre life-span, a tyre that slides on a patch away from its edge (you don't need as much lean angle to make the turn than with corner speed only) will last longer than when it is loaded at the edge for a longer period of time and abrasion is lower as well, Marquez won on a harder tyre than Rossi at Losail, that's one of the reason, less weight on the rear wheel.

A turn is roughly divided in to 3 section, braking area, turn-in/apex, and acceleration, the only reason 250/350 pilots favoured corner speed was the lack of power.

You learn corner speed from 125 cc and even 50 cc at the time, other than that there is no advantage to be gained over a full lap apart of very fast tracks where braking is not so important such as Assen, where Spies and Rossi won on "Lorenzo's" M1.

Using corner speed, that's only one area where to gain time instead of two, it's all about compromised but one is loosing less than the other and is a more difficult skill to master.

Progresses with the tyres are valid for everyone and the equation remains the same, Lorenzo age when Roberts was saying that his style was troublesome when the grip was low is totally irrelevant, Massimo Meregalli - Yamaha Factory Racing Team Director said EXACTLY the same for the SAME reasons after 2014 Sepang2 tests, lack of grip at the edge of the tyre, which is the 250/350 style problem, that's the relevance of Robert's comments.

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ratchetman

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ratchetman says:

proof of the pudding

 Degrasse. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. So when Jorge wins his next race do we get an apoligy that you might of been Wrong. or do we apoligize to you because Jorge has read your comments and obviously  taken your expert advice?   

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DeGrasse

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DeGrasse says:

ratchetman

Before talking about winning, look at last year stats and go tell Yamaha they shouldn't have changed the bike for this year, they obviously disagree with you.

Looks like the simplest thing escapes you; Stoner won 10 races in 2011, Pedrosa one more than Lorenzo the following year, the only reason why Marquez didn't win more last year is because he didn't have the experience of tyre and race management (as the HRC says themselves, not before Assen) and didn't translate his speed into race wins more often.

More to it: Lorenzo is behind Stoner in the stats, and Stoner is one recent enough rider to compare fairly, at Yamaha they can tell why Marquez didn't win more races despite being faster and scoring 11 best lap times and 9 poles.

That's the  real icing on the cake, it's a tad more complicated than yours, and something else, Lorenzo crashed twice on the gas in 2013.

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ChupaChump

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ChupaChump says:

Witch hunt?

DG's posts are reminiscent of some from a few years ago by people who have already posted on this thread.  

The whole 'Rossi can't ride the Ducati like Casey did' subject rolled on for two years and still gets picked up on now.

I can't remember anyone with that agenda being ganged up on or hounded off the site?

If you don't like his posts, just ignore them.  Simples...

I don't think J-Lo is a one-trick pony and I look forward to seeing him prove this assertion is wrong.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

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DeGrasse

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DeGrasse says:

ChupaChump

Yeah sure, i'm certain Yamaha changed the M1 because of their comments too, what is it you have between the  hears not to be able to read articles, comments made by Yamaha officials and comprehend them?

Please don't mix me with the trolls and bashers on the ground that you can't tell a chassis characteristic from another or how they need to be ridden, i leave that to fanboyz like you who takes M-C forums for their local pubs.

Lorenzo good at setting up and developing bikes? NO, even his crew chief says so, good at riding a bike when the grip level is low? NO even The Team Technical Manager says so. Write this page and go over it.

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

No-one would ever dream of mixing you in with the other trolls Grassyarse  -  you're way out front in a league of your own. Top troll, no question

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Druids

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Druids says:

Stoner spent 7 full years in moto gp to 6+1 race for Lorenzo

Lorenzo is 7 wins behind Stoner but has 5 more podiums and the same number of poles as Stoner despite another full season to complete. A troll and a basher, exactly.

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jamieg999

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jamieg999 says:

Saying ignore him is not as easy as it sounds

 His infestation of threads makes this a chore trying to find the actual discussion going on. It's like the spam debacle of a couple of years ago, and I bet his sister makes $16233 a month using her computer for a few hours too.

I know we shouldn't read his drivel, to be fair I don't read it, I sort of scan it shaking my head and looking for an opportunity to mock him again, but saying don't read it is a bit like saying don't stare at the old lady with the big hairy wart on her nose, you kind of have to just to remind yourself that sadly there are those less fortunate than yourself.

I know a couple of crackheads that will hack him and then burgle his house before passing his details on to some handy pikeys if anyone wants to contribute towards the £50 they charge? 

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DeGrasse

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DeGrasse says:

Druids

Who gives a FCUK your opinion going vs statistics and specialists comments?

Stoner is AHEAD of Lorenzo in the moto gp stats, it's there for everyone to see, point bare, now get on line for the troll's crybaby shomanship contention tickets.

 

Bulttlow: Your name is "no one" now? Or everyone? Or you know better than everyone in the buziness?

Correction: YOU don't have the IQ, follow your fellow troll example and get online, cry us a river, when one write stoopind one looks stoopid.

Anyone else wants some?

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DeGrasse

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DeGrasse says:

jamieg999

Blah, ignoring is what your bunch is doing, that's why you're ignorants, let's see?

My opinions? Nope, those of people who knows about moto gp end everything proves this every single time i post a link.

If you weren't resilient to knowledge and had no reality denial issues you wouldn't have a any problem talking M-C when i do so, instead you talk from the wrong side of yourself. Good one, this odor no one can ignore.

Stoner first GP = 2002, Lorenzo first GP = 2002.

Stoner fist Moto GP = 2006, Lorenzo = 2008.

DNS for Stoner since 2006 = 5, Lorenzo/2008 = 2.

Starts vs victories, Stoner is in front and will certainly stay in front for a long time.

1st place finishes in MotoGP at All tracks in All years, for riders from All countries

Stats for victories for 500/Moto GP all seasons.

80    Valentino Rossi    ITALY
68    Giacomo Agostini    ITALY
54    Mick Doohan    AUSTRALIA
38    Casey Stoner    AUSTRALIA
37    Mike Hailwood    GREAT BRITAIN
31    Jorge Lorenzo    SPAIN

Source Moto GP Official website 2014.

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