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Matthew Birt  says:

Aspar not expecting imminent RCV1000R upgrade

Nicky Hayden’s Aspar squad has conceded that its underpowererd new production Honda RCV1000R is unlikely to receive a motor upgrade until the fourth race of 2014 at the earliest. A lack of acceleration and top speed was quickly identified as a big weakness of the new RCV1000R, which is Honda’s entry in the new Open category, designed specifically to bolster grid...

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Nostrodamus

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Nostrodamus says:

Woah, prophet of myth

Name me another manufacturer with two of three year old ex-factory motorcycles on the grid? Or do you expect HRC to sell flogged out machines from the previous year full of engine internals and cases knocking right up against their serviceable life span?

As it is it would appear the factories keep many of the components from previous years on hand. Think Stoner with his Ducati front fork reversion a few years ago. Or Aleix in Qatar who reputedly had to run an ex factory 2013 tank for the Qatar race after trashing both his bikes in final qualifying.

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Judas13

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Judas13 says:

Lies

"Open class category you have to sell [the bike] to the team. I read the regulation book again and there is no mention you have to sell…” Nakamoto

This, the fabricated times, the fuel tank, the ECU software objections/shenanigans, the test rider misdirection. If this had been a team with Rossi in it we'd be drowning in vitriolic conspiracy theories. But because it's Honda we're getting a flaky rearguard defence.

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Nostrodamus

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Nostrodamus says:

Doubter

The only one of those you can legitimately pin on HRC is the fuel tank. We were told it would be 23 litres which would be sufficient for purpose given they'd just completed a 22 litre season. Seems HRC misjudged the effects of the Dorna ECU & software though. That one is egg on face for them, but I think it unlikely we'll see starved RCVR's in future.

Just imagine the hue and cry Gabriel if a factory sold ex works machines that promptly did 'a Spies' with a collapsing swingarm. They go to the crusher because they've been rolled, bowled and arseholed.

As for two different marques in the same team. There are plenty of precedents in GP history of factories being unwilling to see such scenarios with their contracted riders. Same for teams really. It's like having Monster on one side of the fairing and Red Bull on the other. Simply not practical.

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Bollocks is about right Bulto..

You haven't the gumption or testicular fortitude to back yourself when the going gets rough..

All you've given uss..is an insight into how limited and empty that space north of your eyebrows must be.

HELLO..Hello..hello..

You are a fake..


Nostro..

Name me another manufacturer with two of three year old ex-factory motorcycles on the grid?

Yamaha and Ducati..


Or do you expect HRC to sell flogged out machines from the previous year full of engine internals and cases knocking right up against their serviceable life span?

WTF?


As it is it would appear the factories keep many of the components from previous years on hand. Think Stoner with his Ducati front fork reversion a few years ago.

Aragon 2010..the setting changes Stoner - and all you muppets - claimed proved he'd left Rossi a competitive bike were not only pilfered from Hayden, but achieved with parts that had been on the shelf all year..nothing new, just the combination of old parts altered.

The spindly fork back-tracking didn't work, or stop him crashing and was a desperate measure to regain front end feel, after he'd developed the bike into a plank of wood..reminiscent of your head.


Or Aleix in Qatar who reputedly had to run an ex factory 2013 tank for the Qatar race after trashing both his bikes in final qualifying.

Shame HRC didn't run a bigger tank in the disappointing RCVR, instead of hamstringing the bike to ensure it slotted in to their philosophical pecking order..there again, that would mean developing a proper Open class bike rather than a grid filler.


Oh dear..the longer this defense of the indefensible continues, the less chance the tag team twins have of regaining ANY credibility on this forum.

Haha..good innit.

 

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Nostrodamus

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Nostrodamus says:

Wosi

The Forward Yamaha's aren't there by design though are they? And nor are they old engines. As for the chassis' old old, or new old?

 I don't know what spec Ducati Hernandez is running. He was supposed to be the Open guinea pig, but now somehow Ducati have tantrum'ed their way into getting all the rights and privileges of Factory with the benefits of Open. I guess hHernandez is just there to test crash durability now.

The rest of your diatribe is feeble nothingness and far from wholy accurate.

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Nostrodamus

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Nostrodamus says:

I think our pedlar of dodgy Watchtower merchandise

You live in a strange fantasy world where beasts and people cohabitate happily in flowered meadows basking in the malevolent/ benevolent (take your pick) glow of your god - dodgy uncle Carmelo.

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RawDawg

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RawDawg says:

WTF did they think?

 Honda said from the jump the bike wasn't going to have pneumatic values so did anyone think it wouldn't be down on power? **** no the morons. It's a customer bike which has always been very clear. So any idiot with a brain would know it was going to be **** compared to the factory and satellite bikes.

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Morons and coincidence..?

Funny how the same motley crew defending Honda to the back teeth..

 - while excusing Nakamotos lies and ignoring previous iterations of RC213V have NEVER been made available for competition, finding their way to the crusher instead..advocates of a pecking order and the series being rigged -

..are paid up members of the anti-VR46 club who have been busting a spleen to point out all the advantages he's had, without which all those wins and titles would not have been possible?

Poor Casey never got a fair shake of a lambs tail..his 2007/2011 bikes had fk all to do with him having the best package..it was a coincidence and bad luck he never backed up the title..

Morons indeed..

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Firebird3

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Firebird3 says:

 The  23L fuel tank is all the evidence we need from Honda. It's a fcking joke.

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davefinnerty

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davefinnerty says:

wosi

 Hi,why do you always say that Stoner developed the Ducati into something too stiff to give front end feel which was by all accounts difficult to ride then also say that Ducati did nothing but trow old parts or even just adjustment settings at Rossi?

Stoner complained that Ducati didnt listen, Rosii complained that Ducati didnt listen, I believe Melandri and others also had the same complaint so perhaps the difference was that Stoner was ballsy enough to at least try and ride around the problems most of the time if Ducati would'nt or couldnt listen to riders to develop the bike.

In fairness the 2010 Ducati was a reasonably competitive bike with a number of wins, poles and podiums to its credit despite being fickle so its not like Rossi inherited a bucket of sh*t.

 

 

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