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Matthew Birt  says:

Roger Lee Hayden gets LCR Honda chance

Roger Lee Hayden, younger brother of factory Ducati rider Nicky Hayden, will replace injured Randy de Puniet in this weekend’s American MotoGP race at Laguna Seca. Hayden will substitute for French rider de Puniet after he broke his left tibia and fibula in a crash during yesterday’s German MotoGP encounter at the Sachsenring. Lucio Cecchinello was locked in discussions with HRC management...

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diceman23

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diceman23 says:

The tv sponsors will be pleased

Well the American fans are going to have something to cheer on this weekend 4 riders on the Grid and a chance of a podium in the form of Nicky or Ben. interesting choice. Brave decision or just about the money? who cares at least it's not another 40 year old test rider

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aquarius

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aquarius says:

A genuine worry ...

It will be good to have 4 x Yanks in the mix but Laguna Seca has always really bothered me. The excuses for this circuit always refusing to have no 125 or 250 ( now 4 -Stroke Moto2 ) GP events supporting the MotoGP Class, ranged from 2-Stroke racing being illegal in California? - to SCRAMP ( the operators of Laguna Seca and sanctioning body - rather than the AMA? ) claiming they cannot pay the fees for the other 2 Classes ... Considering that  the " Temple of GP racing " Assen, had problems meeting fee costs in the late 1990's and Dorna not only threatened to cut them from the GP schedule for good - but also forced them to ruin the original circuit with changes to it - makes all this a bit nonsensical. I really wonder if either of these reasons is valid or that the Septics just think that the " other " classes won't " play in Preoria " as they say over there. In other words - our fans don't understand it, are not interested in it - ergo - we don't want it !!!

Surely, if people are not exposed to other forms of racing than the " glamour " Class - how can we possibly expect them to grow and gain an appreciation of it? Personally. the Moto2 Class has really grown on me and for the life of me I cannot understand how the Brits ( the predominant readers/users/posters ) on MCN are not lauding the praises of homegrown genius like designer, Steve Bones and his British FTR chassis team. Andrea Iannone has been so exciting and consistent that one could be forgiven for suspecting his Speed Up Racing team had slipped a Fireblade motor into their FTR chassis instead of the same 140 BPH Honda 600 that everyone was using !!! Gabor Talmacsi, now Karel Abraham too and Alex Debon are also on FTR's and going really well. This class is a hotbed of innovation - designed airbox tweaks and fairing detailing etc producing speed increases of 10 kph and more ( 6+mph ) which is a rolled gold advantage in a " controlled " one-engine make Class. Development is all and this is another reason a good and very experienced rider like Anthony West on the MZ is racing well but qualifying poorly as MZ was only allowed in at the last minute when someone else dropped-out. Consequently, MZ started over 2 months behind everyone else. Knowledge and appreciation = greater enjoyment and understanding. Yes?

Our American cousins are the poeple that wanted BIGGER goals for soccer football and to drop the mystifying ( to them ) off-side rule to make it more " exciting". They just didn't get it that a nil-all Draw could be a more exciting game to watch or play in than a 5-3 goal-fest. On the other hand, non-Americans find gridiron handball ( it certainly aint football ) about as interesting as watching paint dry. That's OK but the USA is in a bigger World and why should they be some sort of weird cultural outliers when it comes to GP racing?
Again, personally - my feeling is that they should be forced to take the sport on the basis of " all or nothing " just like everyone else and not be able to " cherry-pick " and stuff-about with a format that is so successful all over the World just to suit them. Look at FIFA and the World Cup. You like it or lump it and there is no suggestion that certain Teams or nations don't get to play in some host country just because some Coors or Budweiser guzzling cretin has never heard of them. What do you think? Cheers

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ThePornstar

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ThePornstar says:

Would tend to agree with that, all classes or none, same as veryone else. I thought all classes were going to Indy though? I also thought it was a budget thing for the smaller classes/. If budget is an issue you have got to question the thinking behind Laguna to Brno and back to Indy? Would make more sense to have the 2 US rounds together with a week of in between so the boys could all go to Vegas for some R&R?

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diceman23

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diceman23 says:

Americans and Motorsport

I'd agree the Americans have a funny idea of what constitutes motorsport. Who the hell wants to watch cars going round an oval all day? Hopefully RL Haydens wildcard ride will create some interest over there both next weekend and when he rides Moto2 at the Brickyard. Moto2 has had some really close racing this year if that continues we might well see it at Laguna Seca next year once especialy it RL Hayden is riding in it. Still I'm almost sorry I'm going to miss the American Medias hype for this one how many time will the phrase 'sibling rivalry' be mentioned I wonder?

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GVIrish

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GVIrish says:

Well SCRAMP is a non-profit organization so that maybe part of the reason that sanctioning fees become an issue.  The other thing is that the WSBK race at Laguna always used to feature the AMA classes as support races so maybe they simply wanted to continue the tradition.  Especially since it is a big event for the American arms of the respective factories. 

It's true that no other GP has gotten away with a special exception the way Laguna has, but on the other hand no other GP was in the biggest market for the manufacturers.  I'm glad Dorna didn't play ignorant hardball with Laguna the way Bernie and F1 did with Indianapolis.  Either way, I wouldn't be surprised to see the GP support classes come to Laguna one day.

As someone already mentioned, Indy does have 125's and Moto2.  I think it would make sense for team travel expenses to have the US rounds back to back, but I think there is a concern that having them close together will cut down on the number of fans going to both.

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camlu

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camlu says:

Distance

I do not think that having the 2 rounds back to back should matter. They are over 2000 miles from each other and draw a completely different crowd for the most part.

As far as RLH ridding... Matt Miladin would have been a far better choice for a one off ride. RLH has never shown anything special on the superbikes. He has always been good with the small bikes and I think he will go well on the Moto2 bike.

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GVIrish

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GVIrish says:

While there are a good number of people who go to both Laguna and Indy I have noticed that the crowds are quite different.  And really when you think about it, no one in Europe is concerned that two successive Grand Prixs are less than 2000 miles from each other, ALL of them are closer than 2000 miles from each other.  Could save the teams tens of thousands of dollars in freight and it would give the teams time to do PR events in the states between the races.

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RawDawg

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RawDawg says:

jeez where do I start

aquarius

I have no idea how the "skeptics" or whoever could say "our fans don't understand it, are not interested in it - ergo - we don't want it !!!" about any form of GP racing especailly the lower classes at Laguna. That would totally ignore the fact the all classes used to race at Laguna in the late 80's early 90's, that would ignore the fact that we had wildcard riders than in 250cc who used to win the 250cc race (Jimmy Filice in 89 and Kocinski in 89 and 90),that we do have a 125cc and 250cc champions running here (though not run by the AMA) or that American J.D. Bench won the  2008 MotoGP Redbulls rookie cup or that American Jake Gagne in this Red Bull rookie cup pulled the double this weekend in Germany to take the points lead or that we used to run our own AMA Red Bull rookies cup. So we do understand 125cc and 250cc racing.

Considering we have more 500cc/MotoGP Champions in the last 30 years than any other nation I'm sure we understand GPs quite well.

I don't think there is a refusal by the circuit to run the lower classes. It was originally said the lower classes would not come because of cost - not sure how true that is. But also, SCAMP from my understanding can oly run a certain amount of races (I think because of some noise ordinance?) and I know Dorna and the organizers wanted the AMA weekend to run along with MotoGP. So I think track time along with the amount of hours that can be ran are a conflict. They would have to drop the AMA in order to run the lower classes. You can also throw in the fact California now has tightest emission pollution laws of all 50 States may play a role as well but I'm not sure because they have always ran 2-stoke go-karts there.

The AMA had been running a class (Formula Extreme ) for a number of years that were 600cc with full on superbike chassis that were the closest to Moto2 than any other series before or after. So we don't need any kind of "exposure" for that form of racing. And it's not like Moto2 and 125cc will not be at Indy.

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caferace52

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caferace52 says:

Two Reasons.......

...... Now both obsolete.  When the decision first came to have the GPs at Laguna again, it was decided for only the premier class to run one, because of cost; two, because Dorna and AMA felt that having the AMA classes run would bring in a larger fan base; which was true at the time.  Just given the constraints of time, it wouldn't have been feasible to run the AMA classes and all GP classes.  However, here we are years later, the Daytona Motorsports Group has ruined AMA, Indy has a round with the support classes, fans here have come to appreciate (and want support classes) in all forms of road racing, and since the GP runs before the superbike race at Laguna on Sunday around half to two thirds of the crowd leaves before the AMA superbike race warm up lap is complete.  It's too late for this year, But I sincerely hope that 125s and Moto2 come to Laguna next year. 

   On an aside note, most of us that enjoy the two wheeled variety of motorsport over here can't stand the one with four wheels that goes in ovals.  It remains an enigma to me.

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1000TT

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1000TT says:

RLH

Take a guy who's having a terrible time and awful results in WSB and put him on a far superior bike he's never ridden before for one race in a totally different class/league, makes perfect sense to meeeeeeee !!! Advertisers heaven only, he has'nt got a hope in hell! Why bother, except for money spinning.

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