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Matthew Birt  says:

Mixed feelings for Cal Crutchlow after Assen podium

Delighted to have secured a third MotoGP podium of 2013 but disappointed not to have pushed Valentino Rossi for the win in yesterday’s Dutch TT, Cal Crutchlow left Assen with mixed feelings. Starting from pole position for the first time in his career, a slow getaway and a familiar problem of turning his Monster Yamaha Tech 3 YZR-M1 on a full...

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CHRainmaker

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CHRainmaker says:

I think you'll find it's your wife getting desperate..

..tell her I'll be there after 10. I'll bring my waders, things are gonna get messy..

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CHRainmaker

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CHRainmaker says:

Yawn..

..Gotta go. Much like Dovi, you're boring me..

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

Same old settings

At least he had had the chance to try Rossi's settings at the Barcelona test beforehand and just needed to get used to them at a different track - that would of given him a big head-start, rather than use rain affected practice sessions to test-out his own untried theories.

These would be the settings that Rossi has also clearly struggled with at the start of races? That aside I don't recall him trying Rossi's settings at Barcelona. He tried something that he and his own team devised and found an improvement over his braking performance from the previous day's race. He explained why they didn't try them at Assen and wanted to try something else.

Why didn't Crutchlow at least try Rossi's improved settings before the race?

Crutchlow says that he rides like Rossi and that must come from comparing data and by using similar bike settings.

Rossi won, and Herve is left wondering why his rider chose to opt for the 'same old set-up' which produced the 'same old, slow starting - fast finishing' race performance?

Rossi's newly found improved settings from Aragon are for a bike with a different fuel tank from Cal's. How do you think those settings would work on a bike with a different weight distribution on full fuel? - ie:Cal's bike

Rossi and Lorenzo are running different tanks from Cal which benefit early lap speed. Lorenzo has a new clutch for better starts, maybe Rossi also. The factory bikes may also have different launch control.

All valid points but you will no doubt want to continue your dissection of Cal's little mistakes.

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airbornetrooper

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Full load of bull crap....

Agreed then... Cal does not ride well with a full load of fuel, now let's move on, and so will Cal and everybody else on this forum...for crissakes.

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

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Where does Cal say he tried Rossi's settings at Barcelona? He makes reference to the setting Rossi is using now and said that it is similar to what he tried in Barcelona. Also in Barcelona, Lorenzo tried a new fuel tank he had asked for but Rossi didn't.

Rossi and Lorenzo were both given a new fuel tank in Aragon to try. Don't know if this was another one or the Barcelona one.

Cal wasn't given one. At present, Lorenzo and Rossi are using a different fuel tank from Cal. Whatever the evolution of the Yamaha frame, Lorenzo asked for a new fuel tank to aid weight distribution. Yamaha obviously thought it was a viable option because they gave him one. Now they both have one. It must make a difference otherwise why bother.

Jarvis said the Tech3 bike is virtually a factory bike, not that it is identical to the factory bike. That means it isn't the same. Jarvis' own words, nothing to do with me choosing what to believe.

The clutch - when Lorenzo beat Pedrosa off the line in Catalunya, one of the reasons given was that he had a new clutch, specifically to help him combat Pedrosa's fast starts. They said only Lorenzo had it.

There is every chance that the factory bike has a better electronics package than Cal's bike and that could include launch control. I don't know, you don't know.

Rossi now has a new fuel tank and goes immediately quicker at the start of a race. You never know Benny, there may just be something in what Cal says.

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

so Cal

is not as good as Rossi. Thanks for informing us Benny.

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BobLeDuc

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BobLeDuc says:

You guys all sound like a bunch of movie/theatre critics....Blah blah blah....Give Cal a full factory ride and see what happens

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Nostrodamus

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Nostrodamus says:

So as I understand it

According to Cal, he rides like Stoner, Lorenzo and the world nr.6 - perhaps Marquez also (not sure hard to keep up with his ever changing 'style').

Crutchlow and said world nr.6 may well weigh in similair on the scales, but one is 1.80m and all arms and legs, the other is 1.7m and all torso and body hair. Not for a moment do I believe Cal can use the same settings as the long yellow puke. 60-70kg of body weight and where it's placed at any one moment of the cornering process means a damn sight more than inching 21 litres around. Something nr.6 learnt and singularly failed to do with his time at Ducati. Lanky helps here far more than stumpy too.
 

The M1 is a very forgiving platform but it does favour the precise high corner speed smooth aggression style is was built towards from it's inception. The technique used by former tidler class champs like nr.6 and Lorenzo. Crutchlow has had a rough ride refining his WSS/WSBK sofa riding style to be able to master the M1 and he has done very well to get to where he's at right now, but he remains a work in progress story. He's close, but the ultimate objective of a race win eludes him for now. 

Cal's generally poor starts and his lack of early race pace are a Cal problem to my eyes, not an M1 issue. Factory, Sattelite or otherwise. With the pace Cal's been running this season it is very difficult to see his M1 being any less of a machine than the factory boys. He may not get first dibs at the new stuff, but what he's got is the dog's bollocks. Remember Kallio filling in for Stoner? He couldn't tell the difference to his Sattie D16, he said the factory one perhaps only felt faster because it wasd red!

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CH987

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CH987 says:

Official Yamaha Statement.

Monster Yamaha Tech 3 Team rider Cal Crutchlow made a stunning return to the podium in a classic Dutch TT encounter this afternoon. The 26-lap battle was a nail-biting affair from start to finish and a fantastic charge in the second half of the race secured British rider Crutchlow a third rostrum in the last four races and ensured once again that he was unmatched as the outstanding non-factory rider.

Crutchlow disposed of Lorenzo’s threat at the final chicane on lap 15 and he then moved into the rostrum places with an identical move to get by World Championship leader Dani Pedrosa on lap 21. The former World Supersport’s blistering speed then saw him brilliantly hunt down Marc Marquez for second as the race reached an enthralling climax. Eager to equal the career best second place he scored in Le Mans last month, Crutchlow came close to pulling off a thrilling overtake at the first corner on the final lap. Marquez though was not to be outdone and after coming close to contact, Crutchlow momentarily ran off track before recovering to claim a richly deserved fifth MotoGP podium that keeps him in fourth position in the World Championship standings.

Seems like they're quite happy with Cal.

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ow01fogno1

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ow01fogno1 says:

standings

they always prove you wrong sheep turd from the unknown.

oh dear. none of your rants can change the tables at this moment so go cliff jumping just to see if you'd like it,jusj once bud. oh dear!!!!

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