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Matthew Birt  says:

Podium eludes Valentino Rossi in Sepang

Valentino Rossi had to settle for yet another fourth position in punishing heat at the Sepang track in Malaysia yesterday (Sunday). The Italian was optimistic of a podium challenge after he started from the front row of the grid for only the third time in 2013. But for the seventh time in 15 races, Rossi would have to see the podium right...

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Nostrodamus

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Nostrodamus says:

You entirely miss the point Alex

Nr.6 is the GOAT, a messiah, the greatest thing that's ever happened to MotoGP. Nobody could possibly ever be better than him. Fourth is also a very uncool place if Wosi is to be believed.

"Would Casey be..."? Pure moot conjecture. But as Stoner once said. 'Just how good is that M1?'

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AlexDAbomB69

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AlexDAbomB69 says:

I dont think

 he is the greatest thing to happen to Moto gp, I think the greastest thing to happen in grand prix motor cycle racing is years behind us. And the M1 is good but this year its just not carling.

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Firebird3

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Firebird3 says:

Bulto

Yes JL will still be in front of Rossi (although he is catching up), but the point is, people are saying that Rossi has lost the alien status, but if the 2 bikes were equal Rossi would be battling for 2nd with the aliens.                 JL has won 6 races on an inferior machine, because IMHO he is the best rider at the moment.                             JL can get more out of the M1 than Rossi, because he has been on it for  the last 3 years, having it developed around him.

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Firebird3

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Firebird3 says:

 Dynamic riding styles the way forward???                 MM style  was no more effective than DP smoother style, as he couldn't catch him.                  Nostro brings the Rossi/Ducati fallacy up again...........the rider tells his own team what he wants from the bike, the team adjust and change what they can in the constraints of the bike. If they don't get the required results, they then go to the Manufacturers engineers/R&D and say we want a bike that does this that and the other, now go off and build it for us.           In the case of Ducati, the R&D not only were not doing enough on going development, but they didn't have a clue what they were doing and couldn't give Rossi the bike that he wanted.

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

Disagree Firebird

It's a lame excuse that is being given out for Rossi not being able to podium. He's supposed to be the most versatile rider in Motogp history but has now been unable to adapt to 2 bikes that weren't tailor made for him.

When Lorenzo joined Yamaha in 2008 it was Rossi's bike. Lorenzo had never ridden a Motogp bike (which means nothing in my view but that's another issue) He put it on pole twice in the first 3 races, one of which was the first, and podiumed his first 3 races, the third of which was a win. This was the bike we are being told in other threads that would stop and turn on a dime to suit Rossi's late breaking turn it in style - the complete opposite of Lorenzo's brake early and carry corner speed. Lorenzo coped, Rossi should be able to do the same now.

After Qatar he was full of praise for the bike, nothing wrong with it, but in reality, as well as he rode, a result that was possible as both Hondas had grip problems. Then came the poor results and the excuses about the bike. At Aragon he found a solution and then won Assen, but the reality was that the Hondas has grip issues again with CC splitting them on a satellite Yam. The next races were not true reflections of riders' respective speed due to injuries but by Indy it was situation normal and back to a distant 4th, fighting with satellite bikes - even with the solution from Aragon and it's been the same since. Malaysia is an untypical track with it's long staights, so yes he was closer. Maybe he has found another solution, the next three races will tell, but an objective look at the season's results so far suggest he just isn't fast enough. I'm prepared to be proved wrong if the next three races show otherwise.

The argument over the Honda being suprior to the Yamaha is subjective. It always will be unless you get a rider who is able to try both and take them both to their absolute limit around several tracks and then deliver an impartial opinion on their respective performance. Lorenzo is hardly going to say the bikes are about equal but I'm losing because MM is a better rider is he. I believe that if Lorenzo hadn't injured himself at Assen, he still be leading, as he was then with more points and more wins than MM. The Yamaha isn't so bad.

 

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Firebird3

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Firebird3 says:

Bulto

 I would agree with you that Rossi should cope and adapt to the different bike.........can't he adapt or is it he doesn't want to.  Maybe after 10 years or more, riding the way he does and getting the results, he feels that he wants to have the bike a certain way.  But then again, he might get his 'perfect setup' and it won't be good enough against the current breed of riders.  Who knows, only time will tell.

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Smackbum

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Smackbum says:

Time ... to perform

 

Yamaha re-hired Rossi because of his profile and the assumption that once he was off the Ducati he would do a Stoner and come back with all guns blazing.

The profile is still there (thanks to his self-deprecating humour about his own limitations), but the results have been disappointing.  In particular he has only taken points off the factory Hondas on 2 occasions, so as a wingman to JL he is better than BS .... but not by much!

But PI is a favourite track (or at least was) and now that CS is gone he will never have a better opportunity to relive past glories.  Or podium at least .....

 

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