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Liam Marsden  says:

Phillip Island MotoGP: Lorenzo wins with masterclass

Jorge Lornezo put on a riding masterclass to take victory at Phillip Island and keep his hopes of a third MotoGP title alive. The race was shortened to 21 laps, with the riders forced to pit no later than 10 laps. Dani Pedrosa was the first to enter the pits with Lorenzo coming in a lap later and Marc Marquez a...

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Bolts83

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Bolts83 says:

Joke

Its a shame that such a silly thing as the surface can ruin what when they were racing was amazing. Phillip Island is by far the best track on the Moto gp calendar, quick flowing, multiple lines, ability to rectify mistakes.

I feel for Marquez and Dani who apart from messing there stops up rode really well. Lorenzo was on it and was just consistent which helps.

The incident of MM leaving infront of JL and DP was dangerous neither were in the wrong, MM is trying to get into the race to either take 1st or maintain position, where as JL is slowing from 200+ and faced with a very slow Honda in his way so understably went a little off line knocking what to me looked like Marquez's elbow slider off.

Shame for Marc but he will still be Champion just not yet.

 

 

 

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CH987

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CH987 says:

When asked about the tyre situation in the post race press conference Rossi commented that as the Flag to Flag rule was something they were used to it was the best solution.  This rule was brought in in 2005 and has since been used 3 times. The first time was late in the race so nobody changed. The other 2 times though were, as quoted from the Motogp Key Rules section 

"Australian Grand Prix at Phillip Island in 2006 and at Le Mans in 2007 the rain fell early and heavily enough to warrant a change of bikes which led to the dramatic spectacle of the entire MotoGP™ grid entering the pit lane mid-race to swap machinery".

Hardly a common occurrence and today was very nearly a 'dramatic spectacle'.


 

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

Race fix ??

How can it be a race fix? Did officials know before the start that MM was going to come in a lap too late to change bikes and conspire to exclude him to prolong the title race? Get a grip.

Julian Ryder seemed to know the penalty for what happened would be a black flag so were the teams made aware that they would be black flagged for exceeding 10 laps. The penalty may seem harsh but Bidgestone were clear. Do not exceed 10 laps on safety grounds. The possible consequences of a tyre letting go on one of those high speed corners or down the pit straight doesn't bear thinking about and it may not involve only the rider who stayed out too long. It's near carnage when an F1 tyre lets go. On two wheels... imagine also following riders getting heavy chunks of rubber coming at them and the consequnces of getting hit in the visor

In staying out an extra lap he benefitted from one more hot lap on tyres up to temperature whilst Lorenzo did a lap on colder tyres which could have put him into the lead when rejoining. He would also have gained a bit more life in his second tyres at the end of the race, so you can see why they did it. They got caught and paid a hefty price.

Talking of pit exit, he definitely wandered too far over. He's rejoining at a much slower speed and it's his responsibility to show caution. Whether Lorenzo was a bit wide is of no consequence. What if he and Pedrosa had been side by side? He knew they were coming and he should have accounted for it. When he turned right at the end of the pit lane to join, if he looked right, how could he not see them?

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DoubtingThomas

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I agree DeGrasse

If Jorge was on his racing line he would have had room, but you're right he was wide. And Marc wasn't on the racing line but neither did he leave lots of room.

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

De Grasse

Watch it again, he was not on his normal line, he was wide, reason for him to admit half the responsibility, he couldn't possibly change his line at this speed and asvoid contact then, had he gone for the apex like he did previously there was no contact.

If Lorenzo had been tighter then no, they may not have touched, but what of Pedrosa who was right behind? Once past the white line MM started to wander to the right of the track and may well have wandered into Pedrosa instead. Whether it was deliberate or accidental, it was wrong and it was his responsibility to avoid it.

And Lorenzo's positioning is irrelavent - is he obliged to hit the same line every lap?. MM has bikes coming at him from around 200mph and who knows what line they will be on in that corner. Before leaving the white line he had the opportunity to look.

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pogo_it

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pogo_it says:

The 10 lap thing is a giggle, count them, 11 for Dani, 12 for Jorge, 13 for marc, so how are any of them counted as finishing?

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DeGrasse

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DeGrasse says:

Bultoboy

 Lorenzo admited on Spanish TV having missed his braking point and being wide.

Whatever happened with Pedrosa is not of my concern from there on, I notice such things, i am a very big fan of trajectories (tells a lot about style and tyres lifespan) and it was obvious to me that Jorge was about two metters wide on this lap, he was never going to make it to the apex.

In a normal lap there was plenty of room for him to pass without contact.

 

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CBR11X

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CBR11X says:

Masterclass?

My arse!

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DeGrasse

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DeGrasse says:

Bultoboy

 If you try you will figure that hiting the same line consistantly makes you a lot faster over a race distance, so the answer to your question is, if he wants to win it with Marquez still on the race, YES.

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

DeGrasse

If you try you will figure that hiting the same line consistantly makes you a lot faster over a race distance, so the answer to your question is, if he wants to win it with Marquez still on the race, YES.

And what if you are 2 or 3 riders side by side going into that corner. Only one will be on the normal line. What happens then?

The point is that Marquez didn't look and just wandered across the track.

A bit like joining a motorway at 40-50mph and wandering straight across into the outside lane expecting not to get hit by something.

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