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Matthew Birt  says:

Doohan: No doubt Stoner would return at top

Five-time MotoGP world champion Mick Doohan reckons Casey Stoner would have slipped seamlessly back into winning contention had the Australian been returning to racing action in 2014. Stoner retired at the end of 2012 after winning two premier class titles, but he has constantly been linked with a future return. Stoner won’t be racing in MotoGP in 2014, but there are constant...

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

The song remains the same..

He did indeed..'bootsie'

Haha..and that's the problem, my fuffy hand-knitted little cock-sock.

The heart of The Beast still beats. Once the cutting edge of GP engine design, it hasn't changed and is a dinosaur now. 

The centre-piece of what was Ducati's frameless thinking still has pride of place..albeit rolled back in a beam frame to try and find some balance.

Balance..that was always missing from the CF bike Casey begged for, HIS bike..which fanned the flames on the red-hot topic, of him only being able to develop bikes backward.

Flames..that burnt out of control, after he rejected the bike Dani took on a winning rampage the like of which we've never seen before, or since, from the Spanish light-weight.

No..Just give Casey something to ride..not think about and tinker with.

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Nostrodamus

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Nostrodamus says:

Indeed the CF was the bike Stoner begged for Wosi

Such was it's improvement over the terrible inconsistent handling of the pipe frame bike that Casey rode so hard you had him flexing the headstock 50mm. It's a wonder he won races on the damn thing, let alone a title.

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saturn392

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saturn392 says:

Pipe frame, Carbon Fibre, Alloy beam

and Ducati still havn't been able to make the bike handle as sweet as their rivals.  I re-iterate what Wosi has said on many occasions ... if Casey's Carbon fibre frame which he begged for was the Be-all and End-all why havn't Ducati gone back to it ?

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Ah..

..but despite limitations under braking, that steel frame at least allowed riders a 'feel' for the custom made front tyre.

They tried to beef it up to stop it flexing, but a condensed buttress of tubing limited air flow into and around the engine, sapping power.

Prezel had to do something, what with competition improving so rapidly..and chose the carbon-fibre monocoque. Completely the opposite direction in terms of stiffness. All the lack of feel/turning & front end woes started here. 

Stoner says he loved it..despite finishing lower in the standings, winning less and crashing more.

"It was a competitive bike" dribble his fans.

Hayden, who's ridden both CF and Ally beam bike, says the new frame is better..in fact, Casey borrowed his settings to(typically) start winning at the end of the season again..when it didn't matter.

I'd love to see the Aussie back on a Ducati, especially a shiny black carbon-fibre one..

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vmax4steve

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vmax4steve says:

Bollocks Wosi, Stoners woes started when Bridgestone switched their attention to Rossi and didn't give Ducati what they needed. They did it again when Stoner switched to Honda and pissed the title again, took away the tyre that worked in winter testing that the new RCV 1000cc bike was built around and introduced a new one on "safety" grounds that didn't exist that made the RCV chatter like a fishwife.

Stoner bailed out knowing that the series was being run purely for Rossi once he found out that Carmello was a factor in getting him (Rossi) back to Yamaha and probably had the feeling that Bridgestone would do it again having failed to give the Ducati a tyre that Rossi could use. Shame really 'cos Rossi is dead now that Marquez lit up the series last year. HRC would get rid of Dani in a nano second if Stoner wanted to return, after all it was he who proved that the bike could be ridden harder than Dani was doing and his data was pivotal in HRC recruiting Marquez who has a similar style.

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eddl

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eddl says:

 Im new to the sport who is this casey you speak of did he drive an engine perhaps?

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Nostrodamus

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Nostrodamus says:

Who knows what Dall'Igna's plans are Saturn

What we do know is the GP9 CF bike was uber competitive, the season was ruined by Stoner's sickness. The GP10 though would only operate in a very narrow set-up window the following year on the new generation hard 'n' cold 'stones which the Japanese marques adapted better to. Stoner starting crashing the thing for no apparent reason. Yeah, as Wosi says though, it was in essence because of a lack of feel from the fronts. Much like the early nineties Michelin rears which would grip, grip, launch! Stoner still managed three wins and a bag full of podiums on it though. A direct iteration of that bike was the machine the Terrapin was closest to the front on during his disastrous Ducati tenure. So comparably the CF was more competitive than the aluminium beam.

Ducati as a company still have a lot invested in the monocoque chassis. I for one hope the concept has not been buried. It's whether the budget is there to revive the design with back to back testing. Although probably at the moment the engine is the item that most Corse attention and resource will be thrown.

One thing is for certain though, the very clever engineers at Ducati Corse are not 'fkn idiots'. Only a complete dolt of very limited intellect like Fairyturd would describe them thus.

Corse are at rock bottom now after a year of stagnation. There's a new broom and new ideas are sure to follow. The only way is up, and with the riders they've got the only way is Open. You need an Alien to compete like on like.

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saturn392

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saturn392 says:

One point Nostro

The fact that Rossi got closer to the front with the CF monocoque does not show that it was more competitive than the Beam frame.   Honda were changing frames more often that a tart changes her knickers and probably took a step further forward in the process.

Rossi was a product of the Carmelo system (which he did not create) he was identified through his outstading talent and an ability to promote himself as a major asset to the business and took advantage of the privileges which were on offer - any of the others would have done the same in his position.  Rossi was (is) a financial asset (the biggest at that time and still big today) ... as in any other business - profit is the key to success .... like it or not economics rule the day!

I for one don't doubt the ability of the engineers at Corse and hopefully Dall'Igna's leadership will bring results.

Don't hold your breath !!!

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WillRTW

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WillRTW says:

Typical....

Saturn has to go and bring a sensible and balanced point of view into a Rossi/Stoner bun fight... ;)

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saturn392

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saturn392 says:

Sorry Will

need a few more beers before I get 'anti'. ....    watch this space ......

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