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Matthew Birt  says:

Colin Edwards: Teaching an old dog new tricks

Having just turned 40 and been racing motorcycles for longer than Marc Marquez has been on the planet, you’d think if anybody would find it difficult to embrace a new riding technique it would be Colin Edwards. But the experienced Texan is preparing to break old habits to try and be more competitive on the new Forward Yamaha Open class package...

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AlexDAbomB69

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AlexDAbomB69 says:

You have to love his way of thinking

I’m kind of concentrating on going outside what I have learned and what is normal to me and this bike really likes to be ridden on the rear. We’ve all got an ex-girlfriend that used to like that too!” Quality. 

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DeGrasse

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DeGrasse says:

What was i saying...

 "It is well known that Edwards favours a more front-end riding style, but the Yamaha he is riding this season requires a technique more suited to the rear, having been developed around Spaniard Jorge Lorenzo".

Then... They are lucky the specs have changed compared to 2013 season starts with new fuel tank and seats to recover some of the balance lost since 2011, just imagine what Rossi have been trough and Spies before him.

Guys like them who brake harder and accelerate earlier were faced with grip issues all year, during braking, not enough heat build up in the front tyre, during acceleration, too much weight and moment arm to control slides, one look at the way Lorenzo M1 twists itself to knots time and time again when it departs confirms this.

No common tank slappers here, the rear takes over with sheer inertia and the lack of weight on the front prevent recovery (lower level of front end control), it's an amplified yawing moment due to inertia, caused by the excess of weight on the rear wheel and long moment arm.

There is a pattern in the 2011/13 M1 with Lorenzo bike, with lost of front end authority when the rear looses grip which have been an issue for the past 2 seasons,  since he favors a longer wheel base than Rossi (who sets his M1 with a front well back in the steering stem, the opposite to Lorenzo), and relatively softer suspension settings to deal with corner speed.

Last year's M1 setting ranges made it impossible for Rossi to get the grip he wanted from the front in most tracks..

The changes made to the 2014 goes some way to asses that, the new chassis is a lot better on the brakes and should also help with lack of rear grip as well, for as long as they don't try to keep too much corner speed.

 

 

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jamieg999

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jamieg999 says:

Was Edwards riding a Yamaha last year?

 I'm pretty sure he wasn't...

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Bob Buttamasangy

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Don't know who the bigger joke is...

Edwards or that boring tool DeGrarsehole?

Meanwhile Esparagrasso is ripping it up at the front on a bike developed by Mr Lorenzo. Ho hum.

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

Anyone know what Espargaro's style is?  He seems to be doing ok on a 2013 M1

Apart from an old girlfriend, anyone actually know what riding on the rear actually is?

Anyone have a clue what he's on about?

Maybe get all the weight off the front and wheelie around the corners...

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diceman23

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diceman23 says:

Degrasse

 you really don't get it do you? Lorenzo is Yamhas number 1 rider. He has been for a number of seasons and will likely continue to be their number 1 rider for seasons to come unless Honda manage to sign him. Of course the bike has been developed around him. They have a rider/bike combo that is capable of winning championships should they have continued to develop the bike for Rossi in his absence? Lorenzo is currently the only rider on the grid capable of taking the championship fight to Marquez and Yamha will continue to provide him with the tools he needs. Its not like any of the current Yamaha riders apart from Edwards are struggling for pace is it?

Lorenzos M1 "twists itself to knots"? nonsense.

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DeGrasse

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DeGrasse says:

diceman23

I got it for a while now, thanks, since it is known that the 2011 M1 was upgraded after the Yamaha tests at Estoril MAY 2011. racingaddict.wordpress.com/2011/05/02/yamaha-satisfied-with-estoril-test-motogp/

For those who haven't figured it out, Lorenzo and Zeelenberg input was not the most technical, and what Rossi and Burgess have done was to assess issues even Lorenzo was complaining about, mainly braking and turning-in.

So Lorenzo being No1 is not the issue here, the issue is the direction Yamaha have taken with chassis development from May 2011 and the FACT that they reverse course for 2014 after Rossi and Burgess work in 2013.

These issues are related to wheel base and weight distribution; you CAN'T have both a good braking and turning bike (like the RC) and the 2011/13 geometry/weight distribution, it is a mechanical and physics issues, the question of compromise is another matter, if the bike suited Lorenzo, he still was a lot slower in most partials than Marquez was in 2013 and the bike was near unridable for other riders as a result of its development.

In 2011 Lorenzo did not have the right level of confidence for corner entry, the answer to that was the introduction of a longer swing arm, it did help one way but on the other hand made the bike near unradable for Spies, to the exeption of Assen which is a track where braking and rear traction issues are not so highlited.

From Assen the whole of the forks internal were reworked to help, Rossi won there but still had the same front grip issues at other tracks later on, this year the chassis has revised geometry and weight distribution as seen from the 2014 prototype roll out, they apparently worked the rigidity as well.

 

 

Bultoboy: Anyone is not necessarily keeping themselves in the total ignorance, and Espargaro even if he have to adapt to a 2013 chassis doesn't ride the bike in the Marsh 2013 version, that's the second time you try to imply there was no changes made to the bike from season start, typical troll.

As for his style he is using the front brake a lot more than Lorenzo, just as Rossi does, and oh, i nearly forgot, he is used to slide the bike in and out of corners.

Pol Espargaro - 2013 Moto2™ World Champion MotoGP MotoGP

 

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DeGrasse

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DeGrasse says:

Bob Buttamasangy

 What is boring is to see that geezers like you are polluting topics, writing whatever, and still refuse to inform themsleves properly even so the proper information is widely available, what the hell do you know about chassis geometry and what can you typically comprehend from what Edwards or another pilot can say about their bikes?

FACT is, this is the confirmation than me being boring is in reality your bunch being too low in the food chain to talk about M-C and fcuking about. Take on knitting, SloMos.


Quote: "That’s his style and this bike doesn’t like to be ridden any other way". 

Just to get the SloMos' on their seat's edges, this is precisely what K.R was saying about it after he drove it.


diceman23: No Lorenzo is not the only one who can beat Marquez, what he is, is a guy who have been given the opportunity to make the bike exclusive to his style since 2010.

A guy like Spies could have beaten both of them had he not been trapped in this situation, not to mention Crutchlow potential on a Factory M1 better suited to his style.

If Yamaha have changed things this year, it is precisely because they need the M1 to get better, while Lorenzo was not able to give them the technical insight to avoid it loosing in these areas.

Say thank you to Rossi. 

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Druids

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Druids says:

Are these piles of sh*t supposed to make any sense ?

I only see a meaningless series of words, deqrass. Were you trying to trash Lorenzo again, sorry I can't tell ?

It's amazing, as low as your credibility already was, it just reached a new low.

 

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

De Grasse

Like I said before - you don't read or understand too well

What has Pol Espargaro got to do with it? He's not in the same team or on the same bike as Edwards as he's Tech3

I was referring to Alex Espargaro who is Edwards' team mate and doing pretty well on the 2013 M1.
 

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