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Qatar MotoGP: Espargaro holds off factory bikes to stay P1

Aleix Espargaro was top of the time sheets in yet another mixed up day at Qatar, with the top factory bike of Marc Marquez barely making an impression on the front end of the grid. Espargaro continued his domination of the grid to finish 0.413 ahead of privateer Ducati of Andrea Iannone, with Alvaro Bautista in third. Andrea Dovizioso was fourth,...

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CBR11X

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CBR11X says:

Could just be that the satellite teams tested there a few weeks ago hedgey. None of the factory boys were there so they're playing catch-up. I suspect by FP4 they'll be migrating back near the top.

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Bob Buttamasangy

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The excitement for those that wouldn't otherwise have had a chance combined with factory riders who are loaded with frustration and part embarrasment, is a recipe for disaster.

This is gonna get messy!

Makes everyones predictions look quite lame really, the result at this minute might be exciting but it isn't motoGP.

 

How long before the first rule ammendment?

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huggydave

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huggydave says:

 Oh how I will laugh if Aliex wins the first race, honda will keel over, motogp has being dull for years, repsol Hondas and factory yamahas only allowed to win, well done dorna for giving another bike a chance to fight for victory, even if if probly won't last!! 

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carcleanerboy

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is not just a case

The the factory bikes have now reach the limit of performance/fuel ratio that they can no longer compete?

The rules have been set to force them to buckle to the regulations/ stock ecu's etc that Carmelo wants to level the playing field. The results seems to indicate they need to conform or be at a disadvantage.

In some ways i think its progress as its making the like of Aliex a potential winner , and will show if the Aliens are truly the gods we believe they are, if they can over come the disadvantages of the current rules.

Nostro has slagged of Rossi for only winning when the odds were stack in his favour, when the proof will be in the pudding this year by the looks of things for the pampered superstars.

 

 

 

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CHRainmaker

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CHRainmaker says:

Hey Huw..

 ..so are you suggesting that Lorenzo, Marquez and Pedrosa are 'average' riders too? - They're on good bikes and have been throughout their careers. What's the difference?..

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DeGrasse

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DeGrasse says:

CHRainmaker

Guys that can win titles on inferior material are not legion, it takes a lot of talent and luck to achieve that.

Lorenzo, Marquez and Pedrosa are not "average" but from this list there is one which is faster than the other two, potentialy he can dominate given the right circumstances, we're talking 10th/lap here not a huge difference over a race and experience matters, the point being to translate the difference into race wins.

 

carcleanerboy: Rossi slaggers are totally arrogants and ignorants why bother with them?

From the bunch he is the only one who managed to win titles in all categories, including the 500 cc, not something many of them would be able to do today, without traction control and super-grip tyres we can see what the results are for some...

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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

De Grasse

without traction control and super-grip tyres we can see what the results are for some...

Rossi is complaining of a lack of grip and struggling at the moment just like the others  -  what's your point?

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buelligan272

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buelligan272 says:

bulto

You are so transparent.You seem to love arguing about the same points time and time again.



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Bultoboy

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Bultoboy says:

Groan

As others have told you a number of times Buell, your only contribution is to whine about what others say, you don't have a single point to make on the actual sport itself. I'd have thought you'd be keeping your head down after Huewen choked your piss-taking of the Rossi age subject.

The question to De Grasse is a fair one and contrary to your limited ability to understand context, is in no way Rossi bashing. He's using Rossi to prove a point about the ability to ride around low grip - except the Qatar results don't really back it up do they?

What do you think about it Buell?

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wosihound

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wosihound says:

Reality check..

Another thing that Rossi is very concerned about is making 20 litres last for the race.

We saw how the racing was compromised in the F1 opener at Melbourne..and you've been watching the same deal in MotoGP since 2007, It's just it hasn't been on the majority of fans' radar because we don't have pit to rider communication that's broadcast and in your face. Politics in the background.

Espargaro is obviously riding fast..the stop-watch doesn't lie, but neither do the stats that say in 10 years and 140 odd races, he has Zero poles, fast laps or wins and just one podium in all that time.

Aleix is, I think, the biggest rider in the class..and it's no coincidence he's doing better with 24 litres.

Let's not forget..the Forward bike is running the first generation spec Marelli software. No super complicated corner-by-corner code that takes an army of boffins and barrow loads of cash to implement FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE of making 20 litres last the race and 5 engines run cool enough so as not to self-destruct lasting around 1000 miles each.

Honda are way ahead of the competition in terms of economy and durability. They have the biggest resources in terms of boffins..so it's hardly surprising they threatened to quit over losing this advantage.

They have now back-tracked saying they were misunderstood over reasons for opposition to controlled electronics.

They also claim to have been led down the garden path about the point of an Open Class - misinterpreting the rules - which is why they lied about the pre-sale performance of the RCVR and built an uncompetitive grid-filler?

It is very important in Japanese culture not to lose face, which is also why Dorna appear to be chopping and changing rules at HRC's behest. They, like most of us, want the Japs to stay as it adds credibility and value to the series.

But their involvement under false rules they bullied through as competitors, for chrissakes..will NOT continue.

Costs will come down, electronic aides will become less intrusive and the grid will become closer with a level playing field across the board.

Only then will we be able to see how fast Espargaro senior is. Sure..he's a second faster than Crusty Colin, who has also yet to win a race in over 10 years.

Do you think MM93 and JL99, given their records are slower?

My bet is they are at least naturally half a second faster..maybe more.

Unfortunately they are being hampered by the very conditions their respective bosses voted in, and thought would keep them out of reach of journeymen like Aleix.

Irony indeed..

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