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Liam Marsden  says:

New MCN April 9: VFR800 first test

In this week's MCN paper, available in newsagents, on iPad and Android from April 9: Comeback king: Why Honda's brand new VFR800 is all the bike you'll ever need. Secrets of new Victory sports cruisers Have a desert adventure In sport: New rules for even closer racing in MotoGP All available in print at your local newsagent, or on iPad and Google editions from April...

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greenturbobob

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2014 VFR 800

 239kgs!!  What a porker!!!

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gjw1992

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gjw1992 says:

 Bikes are about wanting not needing! A litre version of the 800 or a lightened vfr1200 in v similar form, maybe.

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winger

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winger says:

1000cc VFR why is it the internet knows the answer and yet the likes of Honda do not.

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Patsfalco

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Patsfalco says:

Weight

Honda has major weight problem with most of it's range, especially things like the Deauville, which is heavier than BMW 1200s.! Look throughout their range and you'll hardly believe the weights associated with their bikes.

The 1988 rc30 weighed 180kg dry. The 1988 vfr750 weighed 199kg. Are Honda telling us that with modern materials, optimised design and things like digital displays, that a modern version can't weigh close to the RC30? Which had plenty of over-engineering to cope with racing stresses, by the way.

Lazy, lazy design. For a company that sees itself as an engineering standard bearer, they are woeful. And with energy and efficiency being pushed up the agenda at present, just what are they playing at?

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venturer

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venturer says:

the perfect bike, for years ago

Honda made the most perfect do it all road bikes, for everyone in the VFR750 / 800, why is it not a VFR 1200, but look like the above picture. maybe we need a WT(touring sports)B racing to replace WSB :) 

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evilamnesiac

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evilamnesiac says:

God, not the weight argument again...

Patsfalco, up until around 10 years ago, all of the manufacturers marketed their bikes with dry weight figures, this can be deceiving, as some excluded tyres, batteries, some just excluded fuel and fluids. They are now quoted as a fuelled ready to ride weight, hence why they appear heavier. For example, the 1992 Fireblade was 199kg, so is the 2014 model. are they the same weight? no, the 1992 would be closer to 230kg ready to ride. And as for it weighing less than it did, why would it? aluminium doesn't weigh any less, neither does steel, and the laws of physics are the same as they have ever been. 

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SundayRoast

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SundayRoast says:

Fake

Agree with the capacity argument it should be bigger capacity (especially as they can get 50 plus mpg now). But do they not already have a 1200?  The more worrying thing is the styling. Why does it look like a 10-15 year old model. Surely they could have come up with something more original than reshaping the headlight surround and stealing the blade headlights.

Were Honda so burned with the design of the 1200 that they just played safe. Must be a tidy worldwide market because this bike is just plain boring regardless of how fantastically practical the Honda propaganda makes it out to be.

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Patsfalco

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Patsfalco says:

weight

It would weigh less if they used modern design techniques and less of the cheap materials. There are loads of hideous steel brackets on these bikes, plainly visible when the bodywork is removed.

Claimed weights is not the issue at hand here. It's the fact that the bikes ARE becoming heavier from Honda (away from their CBR600 and 1000) because they are, as I have said, lazily engineered and use lots of cheap, heavy materials. Heance the criticism. Youi anly have to compare them side by side to appreciate this.

 

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