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Simon Patterson  says:

Texas MotoGP: Marquez wins, Dovi on the podium, Cal injured in dramatic Texas race

Marc Marquez has stormed to victory with ease at the Circuit of the Americas, in a race where he was overshadowed by the action taking place behind him, as drama unfolded across the grid; the reigning world champion rode a flawless race to the win. The first drama of the race happened before the flag even dropped, with a huge jump...

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Judas13

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Judas13 says:

Tyres

Bradl, Rossi, Redding, Crutchlow, Hayden, Espargaro, Iannone.

Different bikes, diferent speeds, different styles, but all with tyre problems. Another Bridgestone lottery by the sounds of it.

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DeGrasse

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DeGrasse says:

Judas13

Not too different compared to the RCs, considering Bradl finished 4th with 7th best lap time. Obviously it doesn't look good but in this case, how come that nor Pedrosa nor Marquez complained about it?
I think the guys who have issues have a chassis/set up or/and style that is not working the tyre the way it likes, it's not a good tyre but it works for those who use it the way it needs, at least, Smith says he can go around it by changing weight load from end to end.

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BarkerBill

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BarkerBill says:

Heho Witless

For you to speak of class, sir, merely confirms your crushing ignorance. Further, The Scarlet Pimpleneck who grabbed 3rd will have shot his powder now.

 

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doohanfan

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doohanfan says:

God knows

what is going on with the tyres, and things are further confused by Dorna changing their mind, having directed Bridgestone relatively recently to produce tyres that wore out as with F1 tyres at the time to improve the spectacle. 


It was said pre-race that 2013 tyres would be used at COTA, with the not very convincing explanation that there were insufficient 2014 tyres, and it has been said they are looking at re-formulating the 2014 tyre anyway. The PI tyre debacle was not all that many races ago either.

A wider range of tyre choices to suit different bikes and riding styles would seem in order, but if Bridgestone have no competition, conflicting instructions and are providing tyres for free or close to free, then the tyre situation is perhaps not very surprising, and the control tyre is looking very much like a false economy.

I doubt Rossi has developed a propensity to wear out tyres in 8 laps after all these years, so I would be looking for factors external to him, but I am not quite sure how occurrences in this race  fit in with opinions expressed as facts about tyres being saved by sliding or Jorge's purported wrecking of the Yamaha chassis geometry being more influential than the talent and endeavour of the bloke riding the lead HRC bike or the engine the Honda engineers have come up with.  

 Tech 3 bikes seemed to perform well so perhaps Yamaha are on the right track for the next formula.

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Nostrodamus

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Nostrodamus says:

You're quite right our resident door knocker

Class A c0ck up by the Terrapin. Didn't get his set-up right and didn't test the tyre durability sufficiently when the warning signs where there in practice.

But then how many realistically expected him to back up the Qatar race, or expect 2014 to be different to 2013?

Dovi looked good. He could turn the thing too. Then again, at 20 seconds adrift.....

Jorge - what a monumental fü€k up, backed-up up with an equally feeble excuse.

Jeez I hope they can get Spies in that commentary box a few more times this season. The voice of sense,  understanding and insight.

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luckofthewelsh

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Spies in the box

 You are right Nostro, Spies was fantastic in the commentary box! His insight was a real highlight of the weekend for me, I hope they can get him to do the same at (least) Indy!

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CHRainmaker

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CHRainmaker says:

Mills you phoney, don't come on here giving it the large one..

 ..you've shown on more than one occasion you ain't got the balls to back it up!

 

..you're just a scared little boy playing a man's game.  

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CHRainmaker

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CHRainmaker says:

Andrew was lucky...

 ..Crutchlow had him before his tyres went off and he had Rossi and Lorenzo's misfortune to gift him the podium...

 

..He rode well and took his chance, but nothing to get too excited about.

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CHRainmaker

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CHRainmaker says:

Mills..

 ..you gonna bite little doggy?

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ElDiabolico

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ElDiabolico says:

deGrasse

I think you are mixing things here and in this case it goes beyond chassis geometry or loads...

you state: "Considering Bradl finish, it could simply be the tyre characteristics IF he doesn't load the front as much as Pedrosa and Marquez (just a suggestion)".

In this case, not loading the front tyre should reduce the working temperature and therefore the level of degradation... If the problem lies on the life cycles of the tyre (how many times it can be heated and cooled down) thats a different story but I strongly believe that it has more to do with tyre manufacturing consistency (see quality management = higher costs) than setup as the Circuit of the Americas is very quick with high levels of abbrasion so no cooling times there...

As Judas says "Different bikes, diferent speeds, different styles, but all with tyre problems. Another Bridgestone lottery by the sounds of it." and I have been stating since the beginning, watching the race yesterday was a lottery...

I really hope that the riders make an issue out of it so Bridgestone gets its s**t together and we see more fairplay.

ps. All orange fanboys, what would you say if on the next race it is MM that faces tyre issues? That Rossi as Bridgestone employee sent him a "special delivery" (by the way go MM!)

 

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