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26 August 2014 18:26
First there was the Kawasaki Ninja 30. Then KTM joined the 300-or-so class with the announcement of the RC390. And now, Honda has gotten in on the action. But is it too little too late?
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"why no one can make a decent small sports bike for 250 - 400 cc in the 21st century?"
Well, it would help if the sanctioning bodies dropped Super-Bike and Super-Sport down to 750cc and 400cc maximum (for a 4-cylinder engine). Or if the governments put severe tax penalites on bigger bikes (e.g. Japan).
Problem is that is costs almost as much to build a race replica quality 400cc bike as a 600cc bike, but the "bigger is better" public will not pay nearly as much for one.
I would like a 50-HP, 4-cylinder 250 with track quality suspension and brakes, and a wet weight under 130-kg. Problem is only about 10 other people in the world would buy such a bike.
29 August 2014 06:53
@any2wheels - they went for light weight, which means to fit the A2 license category power-to-weight ratio of 0.2kW/kg they had to limit the power. At least they did it based on wet weight rather than dry weigh like Honda.
@RageRIder - but sadly there isn't much of a market for A2 bikes, because very few people are bothering to do the A2 tests. I have a full license but I'm interested in a 250-400 bike for commuting simply because my GS is way too much bike for that purpose.
@Titosfuneral - there's a distinct first year bubble in bike sales (from looking at the historic sales charts produced by DVLA). Honda are releasing the 300 right at the end of the UK season, when sales are traditionally slow. By the time it gets to next spring, the long delayed KTM RC390 will be out, and the Honda may be yesterday's news.
29 August 2014 06:30
Wheres the power?
KTM RC390 looks good and the idea of a fun moto3 bike appeals beyond the A2 licence (for me at least) but at 44hp (30ish for the CBR?) it just sounds disappointing.
RGV, VFR NC30, ZXR, KRIS etc where kicking out 50-60hp 20+ years ago. So while the CBR300 gives up 25hp and 25kg to a RGV (or ZXR if 2 stokes don't count now) I can't help but wonder why no one can make a decent small sports bike for 250 - 400 cc in the 21st century?
28 August 2014 22:05
A2 performance does matter as there's so little of it!
It's very different if you can ride anything you want but have chosen to ride an A2 bike as opposed to having to. There's going to be a lot of riders that want something that looks good and is dare I say exciting as they are essentially stuck in this category for two years.
Therefore things like looks, weight, top speed, bhp will matter to a lot of people, especially younger riders who have a couple of years to kill and want a "cool" and fun mini race rep before they upgrade.
Many people will undoubtedly buy these bikes based on economy, practicality, budget etc but it doesn't mean there isn't a healthy market for A2 performance bikes too.
28 August 2014 21:58
Why would it have missed it's opportunity? The 300 would be a marginal profit resource in the UK. It's not here that it matters for this bike. However, one of my friends in Honduras is lusting after it, where the difference in price and avaliability to the KTM is much more significant.
28 August 2014 13:15
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