BMW S1000RR (2009 - 2011) Review
At a glance
|Owners' reliability rating:|
|Annual servicing cost:||£1,000|
Overall ratingNext up: Ride & brakes
BMW’s S1000RR is the German company’s first venture into modern superbike territory and what a serious effort it is.
Although it shares similar technology to the competition (GSX-R1000, Fireblade, ZX-10R etc) of dohc, 16-valves, stacked gearbox and so on, the engine delivers a mighty class leading claimed 190bhp at the back wheel.
Add a good gearbox, impressive fuel injection and electronics, it all adds up to make the BMW shine brightest.
As for handling; the S1000R was launched at Portugal’s Portimao circuit and couldn’t be faulted around one of the most tortuous tracks going.
- Related: 2019 BMW S1000RR review on MCN
Ride quality & brakesNext up: Engine
Sachs suspension doesn’t yet have the kudos of Ohlins, WP and Showa, but the massive 46mm front units and single rear shock are excellent.
BMW have also made suspension adjustment very easy by numbering the suspension adjustment range and colour coding it, and all it takes is the owner’s handbook to cross reference a suspension set up to suit the rider and conditions.
You can also use the key as a screwdriver to make adjustments to the damping adjusters.
On track the bike turns, stops and gives the rider so much confidence they will push harder and harder – and the BMW will take it in its stride.
EngineNext up: Reliability
Top marks are not just for the high bhp output alone, but also for the clever electronics.
One part of which is the performance mode selection switch where four choices are manually selectable.
‘Rain’ mode caps power to 150bhp and reduces the torque output, it also smoothes the throttle response.
‘Sport’ is for dry road use; ‘Race’ mode is used in conjunction with treaded race tyres at a track day; and ‘Slick’ mode is for use with slick racing tyres.
These final three modes all deliver the full 190bhp and torque output, but throttle response becomes more and more direct.
As you’d expect with a claimed 190bhp at the crankshaft, the S1000RR is a serious powerhouse.
But with rider aids like power mode selection and the optional ABS and DTC traction control, it is also a very safe bike to ride fast.
Reliability & build qualityNext up: Value
BMW has recently admitted quality control on its bikes hasn’t exactly been top notch over the past five years.
With this in mind BMW, have gone overboard with mileage testing – 300 pre-production S1000RR have been used for testing, which includes track testing on circuits worldwide.
Every new component has been tested for every possible scenario, from wet weather to vibration destruction.
The one problem to come from the S1000RR’s launch was some front brake discs warped. The problem was traced to the discs not being the correct thickness.
Looking back: BMW S1000RR vs BMW S1000RR HP4
A few months ago I was lucky enough to ride the new BMW HP4 at its world launch at Jerez, southern Spain. With perfect track conditions and slick tyres to play on, it was a dream.
More impressive still was the HP4. BMW has taken its already class-leading S1000RR and made it even better: 9kg lighter, more agile, smoother and even easier to ride fast, with refined electronics, larger brakes, fatter rear tyre, and beefier midrange.
Then, of course, there’s its party piece: semi-active suspension. I lapped within two seconds of my best time set on my S1000RR race bike the previous year in similar conditions – not bad for a bike with lights and mirrors.
Best of all, I never had to adjust the HP4’s suspension to achieve those times – it automatically gave me the optimum settings, so it handled as well as you could ever set-up a standard S1000RR. That’s a huge plus for most of us who don’t know our damping from our preload, but not a massive advantage for those who do.
That’s all well and good on a smooth racetrack, and once you’ve got your suspension set, that’s more or less it anyway – you’re good to go. The real test of semi-active suspension was always going to be on the road, in ever-changing conditions.
Can it cope with UK roads?
So here we are on a late November day, 1500 miles away from Jerez. The day starts off freezing cold and wet, but the gods of speed have granted me a dry, sunny and mild window of opportunity – before it gets dark, cold and damp once more.
If it wasn’t for my jaw being clenched with speed-induced concentration, it would be dragging on the floor – the HP4 has shocked me to the core. With all its power, refinement, light weight and grip, experience tells me to expect a warp-speed ride, like any other superbike – but the semi-active suspension gives me a riding sensation I’ve never experienced before.
Right now I’m on a tried and tested stretch of B-road. It swoops up and down. It wriggles from side to side. It’s
bumpy and littered with broken Tarmac.
The most frightening bike I’ve ever ridden through here was an Aprilia RSV 1000R, which tank-slapped through just about most of it. Other superbikes are simply too fast along here – they just want to take off. The best bikes on this road are small nakeds, 600s, or the GSX-R750 at a push – in other words, bikes with more handling than engine.
With its semi-active suspension, the HP4 seems to flatten the swoops and repair the broken Tarmac. It throws rose petals in its own path, for its Pirellis to glide softly over. Attack the same piece of road on the S1000RR and it’s just like any powerful superbike – the faster you go, the more you feel like the tyres are skating the surface, and the bars come alive in your hands. You’re riding with your fingertips, on the balls of your feet, with your eyes out on stalks.
On the HP4 it’s the opposite. The faster you go, the more the tyres dig in and the more stable it becomes. Bars stay solid in your hands and the HP4 gives you the confidence to push the front ever harder into corners and twist the throttle sooner coming out. You’re hitting the throttle stop in places where it’s feathered on the standard S1000RR.
Granted, the HP4’s new traction control, anti-wheelie, monobloc Brembo brakes and lightweight wheels are all helping magnificently, but it’s the semi-active suspension doing most of the work here.
‘Best handling road bike’
The clever suspension makes the HP4 handle better than anything I’ve ever ridden on the road. It’s a bold claim given the quality of bikes out there, but it makes sense – after all, who ever goes to the same lengths of setting up their suspension for the road as they do on track?
Trying would be impossible anyway, because you’d never get a setting to work in all conditions – but that’s what semi-active suspension does for you, constantly adjusting to give you just about the perfect set-up in any freeze-frame of time.
In that respect, it must be the ideal bike for the Isle of Man TT.
You can’t actually feel the semi-active suspension doing its job, other than giving you this great handling, but there are clues it’s there. With the HP4’s engine switched off, the suspension’s default setting is maximum damping, so it’s like a block of wood to sit on.
Once you turn the engine on, the suspension has zero damping, so you can bounce it up and down like a pogo stick.
But once you’re moving, the suspension adjusts itself, via motors inside the left fork leg and rear shock, reviewing data from the HP4’s wheel-speed sensors, throttle position, gyros and rear shock movement by the millisecond.
On the S1000RR, the front end gets lighter and the rear suspension squashes down as you go faster – and that’s what makes the steering go vague and results in the bars kicking in your hands over bumps when you’re pushing hard.
But on the HP4, support from the suspension increases as speed rises. Not only have you got all this lovely control, but the ride quality is plush and sumptuous, too – like the very best racing suspension on a WSB or MotoGP bike on a track.
The way the front wheel comes down from hovering wheelies over crests like it’s landed in double cream is almost spiritual. There’s no kicking from the bars over bumps, just a feeling of total grip and stability.
Let’s not forget the 2012 S1000RR’s ride quality and suspension control is right up there with the best of any road bike. It’s familiar, plush and keeps the BMW on the straight and narrow, but every now and then you hit a bump that crashes through you, or a series of the buggers forcing you to slow down.
Conversely, on the HP4 I’m actively seeking out the worst bits of Tarmac I can, but they melt away as soon as you run over them.
In each of the HP4’s four riding modes – from Rain, through to Sport, Race and Slick – the suspension moves from soft to hard. In Rain mode, you start with a very soft ride and the suspension gets harder and softer within that zone. You also get full power, a soft throttle response and maximum intervention from the ABS and traction control.
But you can tie the HP4 in knots in Rain mode – if you ride it hard, the soft damping slows the steering. So when you want to go faster, you simply switch to the next riding mode. As you move up through the modes, the HP4 gives you more controlled suspension and sharper steering.
I ended up on Race mode, which gives excellent suspension control at high speed and crisp steering, as well as more direct throttle response, less anti-wheelie and enough ABS and traction control to give you a safety margin over damp patches.
HP4 worse at low speed
The only place the HP4 is worse than the standard S1000RR is at low speed, through slow corners, where the suspension goes soft. As the rear end sinks, the HP4’s steering feels a bit too lazy and chopper-like. But it’s a small price to pay for the advantages elsewhere.
I didn’t try the HP4’s ‘Slick’ mode, because it wasn’t enabled on our test bike. Like all S1000RRs, you need to connect a plug under the seat to acknowledge the fact you’re entering a world of no rear ABS, limited traction control and ultra-sharp throttle. You can adjust the traction control on the left bar in Slick mode, too.
Although the HP4 can cover ground quicker than the S1000RR, ironically it feels more like a road bike and less like a racer.
For most of the time the HP4’s semi-active suspension is actually softer and more comfortable than the S1000RR’s, because it doesn’t need to be any harder, and the steering is correspondingly lighter at higher speeds.
The other main improvement over the S1000RR is the HP4’s new Brembo monobloc front brake calipers. Ultimate balls-to-the-floor, hard braking performance between these and the S1000RR’s two-piece Brembos is about the same on track, but the monoblocs have a far stronger, more tactile bite at road speeds, which is a welcome upgrade.
The HP4 is littered with lots of helpful little nips and tucks compared to the S1000RR (see the ‘At a glance’ panel above), which make it slightly nicer and easier to ride fast on the road. But most of these things, like the adjustable traction control and lighter wheels, exist to help it lap faster around a track.
The only toy the HP4 doesn’t seem to have, that I can think of, is an ‘auto-blipper’ for faster downchanges – the opposite of a quickshifter. They’re amazing, and it can’t be long before we see them on a road bike. But it has got heated grips, a godsend in this weather.
Not content with beating off the competition with its updated 2012 S1000RR, BMW’s new HP4 kicks them while they’re down. And to think the company only sold tourers and adventure bikes up until three years ago…
Semi-active suspension really is the future. It allows the best suspension setting for every second of your ride. It really works.
For the road, the HP4 offers superior grip and stability in comparison to the already brilliant S1000RR. It’s impossible to set your bike up perfectly for your favourite road – there are too may variables. And who could be bothered, anyway? That’s why the HP4 feels so good, giving you the kind of ‘soft here, hard there’ set-up you’ve never experienced before. It’s amazing.
It works equally well on track, too, without you ever having to go through that whole trial-and-error process as you attempt to set it up yourself.
But the irony is the HP4’s semi-active suspension makes it almost too capable for the road – and its limits are too far away. I was genuinely gutted when I packed the HP4 away at the end of the test. But in a way, I was glad, too - it’s a bike that’s far better used on the track.
And here’s the paradox: the HP4 is too good for the road, but if you’ve got the suspension knowhow, you could set up a standard S1000RR equally well on track. A good aftermarket suspension system will be better for racing, too, so the HP4 won’t be the ‘Second Coming’ for racers.
But none of that matters, because it’s a dream bike, costing the same as a Ducati Panigale S. Very few of us will be lucky enough to own one, but if you’re one of the chosen few, rest assured there’s nothing faster – road, or track.
Semi-active suspension will really shine when it filters down to less powerful and cheaper bikes. Fit it to something light and funky with no more than 100bhp and you’d be able to hold it flat-out everywhere. Now that is something to look forward to.
Value vs rivalsNext up: Equipment
The standard S1000RR has a 2009 list price of £10,950, which neatly places the BMW midway of the Japanese competition eg Yamaha’s R1 has an official price of £11,120, and the GSX-R1000 £9921. The S1000RR Sport version comes with quickshifter, DTC traction control and race ABS as standard for £12,235.
Looking back: 2009 BMW S1000RR
First published June 2016 by Michael Neeves
What we said then
“The BMW feels like it could do 10-second quarter-miles without breaking a sweat and pass the ‘gentleman’s agreement’ 186mph limit in record time. Handling in standard trim will make the other manufacturers wince with embarrassment.” MCN launch report, November 18, 2009
But what is it like now?
BMW’s fiery superbike has been a big part of my life since it burst on the scene in 2010. I’ve ridden dozens of S1000RRs on MCN tests and launches, raced one for the past six seasons and been on all its various incarnations, from the limited-edition HP4 (which I also raced), adventure-sport S1000XR and the S1000R super-naked I lived with in 2014.
The good news, if you’re after a secondhand S1000RR, like this mint condition original with 9645 miles on the clock, is that the BMW hasn’t really changed that much over the years.
In 2012 it got a bit more midrange, plusher suspension and quicker steering and in 2015 BMW polished a few more rough edges and added extra electronic rider aids into the mix (such as electronic suspension, air bleed and an autoblipper), but it’s fundamentally the same bike now as it was in 2010. A quick way to spot 2012-on models is their higher swingarm pivot position and sharper, vented tail unit.
If we entered this six-year-old bike into a current superbike group test it would still beat the Blade, GSX-R1000 and even the new ZX-10R. Only the new R1 and 1299 Panigale have moved the game on and that’s down to their latest-generation electronics controlled by six-axis gyros.
This is an unmolested bike that still has its original numberplate hanger, untouched footpeg hero blobs, toolkit, pristine chain and sprockets. It even has its original exhaust, but like all S1000RRs the cat boxes have discoloured and look scruffy.
It bursts into life with that now distinctive, almost wince-inducing, mechanical clatter and settles into a smooth tickover. Blip the throttle and the needle flies across the tacho with the urgency of a race engine.
The BMW might deliver searing acceleration, slicing through its smooth six-speed box, but at normal speeds there’s lots of grunt and the ride-by-wire throttle is smooth and accurate. Handling remains sharp, brakes are still the best in the business and the electronic rider aids, including a quickshifter, ABS, traction and wheelie control work as efficiently as they did when they wowed the world in 2010
Unlike many ‘knees around your ears’ superbikes, the S1000RR has a spacious riding position and a comfy seat – all this for less than nine grand.Good condition S1000RRs really hold their money. For the same price you could have a ’12 Blade, ’13 R1 or ’14 ZX-10R, but none come with the performance or electronic toys.
Common faults explored
Lots of S1000RRs have been raced in club or National Superstock 1000 championships. The obvious signs are things like drilled sump plugs, but suspension can also be a giveaway. A bike with upgraded fork internals (which are hard to return back to standard) and a standard rear shock (which is easy), smacks of an ex-racer. This BMW has had an easy, well-cared-for life and the dash isn’t displaying any service lights or fault codes.
Whoever bought this bike new ticked every option box. It’s finished in the red/white/blue ‘motorsport’ colours and comes with the full package of electronic rider aids and rider modes (including the dealer-activated ‘Slick’ mode). The one thing missing from the toys cupboard is the heated grips.
It also has R&G crash protection, rim tape (bit unnecessary) and new Bridgestone BT-016 tyres. But if this bike were mine I’d fit something more in keeping with the performance, like the Metzeler Racetecs that would've been standard with the bike when it was new.
Easy to adjust suspension, Brembo radial front brake calipers, Bosch electronics all come together in a sorted package.
The dash system doubles up as a lap timer. Optional extras make the S1000RR complete, like the Racing ABS and DTC traction control and BMW’s own quick shifter system.
You can buy the ABS system for £785 and the quick shift unit separately, but DTC has to used in conjunction with Race ABS for it to work (£1199 for the two).
|Engine type||Liquid-cooled, 16v dohc in-line four-cylinder four-stroke. Six gears. Fuel injection.|
|Frame type||Dual beam aluminium|
|Fuel capacity||17.5 litres|
|Front suspension||Fully adjustable|
|Rear suspension||Fully adjustable inc’ high and low speed compression damping|
|Front brake||2 x 320mm disc with Brembo 4-piston calipers|
|Rear brake||220mm disc, 2-piston caliper|
|Front tyre size||120/70 x 17|
|Rear tyre size||190/55 x 17|
Mpg, costs & insurance
|Average fuel consumption||32 mpg|
|Annual road tax||£96|
|Annual service cost||£1,000|
|Used price||£7,000 - £8,900|
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How much to insure?
|Warranty term||Two year unlimited mileage|
Top speed & performance
|Max power||190 bhp|
|Max torque||83 ft-lb|
|Top speed||184 mph|
|1/4 mile acceleration||-|
|Tank range||147 miles|
Model history & versions
2009: world launch of BMW’s 2010 model S1000RR
2010: "Sport" model available (ABS, DTC, Gear shift assist) for £13,310
MCN Long term test reports
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Owners' reviews for the BMW S1000RR (2009 - 2011)
18 owners have reviewed their BMW S1000RR (2009 - 2011) and rated it in a number of areas. Read what they have to say and what they like and dislike about the bike below.
Summary of owners' reviews
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Absolutely amazing piece of kit
Annual servicing cost: £1,000
Bike was awesome new. 5 years and 20000kms later it is still awesome.
I commute, tour and take it in the track and it performs flawlessly. Like every motorcycle it's a big buzzy but that goes away once you hit 80kms so unless you are riding it like a moped you shouldn't really feel it. I am over 6 feet tall and no full litre sport bike is anywhere near as comfy for a tall guy.
Even after 5 years it's still the 2nd best engine in motorcycling. Only the ktm 1290 is more impressive.
I have owned 10 bikes in 10 years often more than one at a time and nothing exudes quality or has proven more reliable than my RR.
Costs are in Cdn. The best (and possibly only) good value in the BMW Lineup when buying new. But they rape you when it comes to servicing it. Part of being a BMW owner after all (lol). Still much less expensive to maintain than my GSA.
At the time I bought it it was the only bike that offered such a comprehensive suite of electronics. Now they are standard but in 2011 they were market leading by far.
Buying experience: I bought new at the end of season and got a a great deal with very favourable financing.
Ive had mine for six months now and can honestly say its the worst motorcycle ive ever owned for build quality. BMW you charge well above the other for this bike what are you thinking......
I bought the S1000R about 4 months ago after considering carefully a number of different bikes. I also own a ducati and another BMW bike. I love the performance and handling of the S1000R. Like most others reviewing this bike, these elements are near perfect. However, i have been extremely frustrated with the short-term build quality of the bike and the absolutely terrible BMW service response. When i first received the bike, it ran and sounded perfect. However the suspension ride was too tight for my low weight which had softened slightly. After only three months i have encountered numerous problems developing with bike, including: - extremely sqeaky front breaks - gap when apply acceleration on the chain (where it seems to slip a few centimeters before grabbing and engaging the back wheel) - light metal rubbing sound in the back wheel area when coasting - an incredibly soft or deteriorated carbon fiber tail pipe (silencer); so soft that a passenger's light foot pressure cracked/smashed the carbon housing I have taken the bike into the BMW dealer several times and on all the above issues get the same indifferent response - "this is the way this bike is". Also, i have had to ask several times to adjust he suspension, because they never seem to be able set correctly. I love my other BMW bike, and the life-span/durability and service has been generally excellent. With the S1000R its been a whole different story.
Picked mine up a few days ago and can't stop grinning like a Chesire cat. Engine pulls like a train and that is it still restricted prior to it's first service. Looks absolutely stunning and has every gizmo known to man, just about. Yes I have noticed a bit of vibration through the bars but no worse than my zx6r. The bike to me seems a good quality piece of kit and so you would expect for that money. As sports bikes go it's relatively comfortable, no worse than it's rivals. Found it a bit hard but that can be dialed out. The only down side is the cost of the thing.
I have just got back from a nearly 3 hr test ride on one. Unfortunately it hadn't had its first service so only revved to 9k. That aside i was impressed BUT it was lacking something. The brakes were sharp as hell but lacked feel compared to my monoblocks. The bike did make all kind of shapes under heavy braking, the abs and tc were off but don't think that would of made any difference to the rear end slithering about. There was a very annoying buzz through the bars that ended up giving me pins and needles in my fingers. Positioning on the bike was nice and it was comfortable to ride (apart from the buzz) The engine pulled really well though, shame i couldn't take it anywhere near the redline! :( Overall a good bike! If the little annoying bits about it were fixed i might think about it. But for 13k...... No thanks! I still believe that a 1k litre sports bike are too much for the roads. I'm going to stick with my Daytona R.
looks good. good gizmos, dtc and shifter. good ergonomics. accelerates faster than kilogixer or any jap kilobike, you just need to use all the power and shifter. easy and locigal to adjust suspenders. track driving is easy and very locigal, excellent throttle response and dtc makes cornering smooth :) bars vibrate under 5000 rpm, resonance is around 4000 rpm. solution to get rid of vibrations is easy, drive faster and use bigger rpms. two times has quickshifter malfunctioned, during full throttle acceleration. my tyre of choice is pirelli supercorsa sp, that works well with bimmer.
Mate im single handedly trying to change the way people perceive Bmw riders, im currently on a wanky old GS commuting and having ridden/owned other bikes and ridden along side other BM riders i do know what ya saying (volvo drivers are the same in cars) but i can hand on heart say, i know i'm not a great rider but the GS does just love going a bit rapid as it's a big twin and lumpy when chugging around plus it is just very high up so no we're not looking down on anyone, honest, so if i do go past anyone don't take it personally im not trying to c@*t anyone off just enjoying the ride but know secretly in my heart i'd rather be on the gixxer..... I would say though that i do think all Ninja riders are mental...! In a positive way, i quite want one to see why!! I love you all equally and tip my lid....
I don't care how good it is,its got a BMW badge on the tank,buy a YamaHondaSuzKawasakiApriHarley instead,at least everyone won't think you're a bell end/oldman/arrogant prick.
Had a 30 min test ride on one of these and whilst the gadgets etc are great it was all spoilt by a dreadfulhigh frequency buzz in the bars at steady throttle....i could never commute or tour on this but i guess thats not what it was designed for....still doesn't forgive the buzz...almost 2 stroke like. Overall engine is great above 2500rpm and the suspension is ok from the crate but not perfect....all its rivals are clearly better developed and already starting to see these beemers appear 2nd hand with really low miles and owners switching to other brands.
The quick shifter and the Brembos with ABS are stand-out for me. Other good points are its big enough to be comfortable and has a neat dash. All in all feels really together and all the electronics makes going and stopping faster & safer. Also much prettier than the latest R1 - eg compare the lovely stubby pipe to those twin garbage cans. Only dubious bit is the fitting of the plastics around the seat....but overall it lives up to its billing.
Just had a little 50km ride on a mates SRR. Christ, the hounds of hades reside in that engine. I only rode it in Slick mode - not much point mucking around with the 'lesser' ones. But my mind could barely keep apace with what it was doing over 10k rpm. Thankfully it has lovely progressive powerful anchors. No instant grab, just linear power you know you can feed into the lever. Those Sachs forks give a beautiful ride too. The rear was a little firm for my light weight but those things are easily changed aren't they. Bottom line? Waay to much for the road as all four cylinder litre sports machines are and the engine too buzzy for me too. As a track machine - well no wonder it won Masterbike.
took this out a few weeks ago and i can not see the appeal it seemed to top enddy for me. I rode me R1 up to take this out and the difference from mine to this was massive. Can not beleave last test where R1 was last what a joke. ride them back to back and you'll see what i mean. that's if you can ride hard. keep it pinned
ok, its a great bike. its got everytin ull ever want for, the gadgets r great the modes r alot better than that on the gixer. the power is amazin though the bike itself doesnt give u the confedence to max it out. i got near as dam it 160mph. tho its confortible u dont get cramp after an hr like u do wit the ducati. but at a pricey £12,600 its worth waiting a year for a second hand one.
LL THIS INFO NO TOP SPEED!!! AND NO STANDING 1/4 should have watched the cop on the proto type round the NW200 circut last year. Was well disguised and was catching the fastest race bikes. This might be faster,than the Hayabusa ? WE AWAIT THE RESTRICTED FIGURES on performence (might be the 1st 200mph production bike) at full power?We wait and seeeeeeeee!!
My dealer has just called to say that BMW have just informed all Dealers that they are halting the release of all further S1000's. This is for a software patch in the programme to restrict the RPM's to under 9k during the running in period. There have, apparently been several cases of engine 'faults' due to out of the crate abuse. This should be a week or so to sort. Great.
I own the plate for the ultimate Posure. And its for sale to the highest bidder. You just cant get a better one. I have recently bought a K1300GT so i cant swop Models yet. The Reg No available is S100RRS So if your buying the top of the range model,you just must have this plate.. S100 RRS i ALREADY HAVE THE RIGHT PLATE FOR MINE K13KGT Never thought Id end up one of those Number Plate Idiots But hey why not??? So tel..07809538212
What a bike guvnor. Cor blimey, sure does go, nudge nudge, wink wink. I'd buy one is a sec (if I ad the readies). G luck to zose wiz ze necessary.